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First name(s) PHILLIP
Last name GLUCKSTEIN
Gender Male
Age 1 –no ages are shown on the image.
Birth year 1901
Occupation INFANT
Departure year 1902
Departure day 27
Departure month 9
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK

I agree that the first listed adult is Rosa a servant, then
Fanny
Leah
Minnie?
Phillip
Ettie – wife

I keep looking at this 1905 NY census
Name: Minnie Gluckstein
Birth Year: abt 1900
Birth Place: United States
Age: 5
Gender: Female
Race: White
Residence Year: 1905
Residence: Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Assembly District: 32
Election District: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Simon Gluckstein 30 -Russian or Austrian (changes from census to census)
Rosie Gluckstein 25 - wife
Fannie Gluckstein 8
Minnie Gluckstein 5
Louis Gluckstein - 7 months
Marie Emrie 16 - Servant, Russia

Petition for naturalisation
Name: Rose Gluckstein
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1880
Birth Place: Russia
Arrival Year: 1902
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Event Date: 5 Jun 1928
Event Place: New York, USA
Court: Southern District, New York
Spouse's Name: Simon
Children: Fannie, Minnie, Louis, Estelle, Laurence

Says they arived 25 Jul 1902
Rosa was born in Warsaw, her husband in Russia.
Fannie in Russia
Minnie in England
The others in NY

I think we can rule them out

I think you're right DET, most frustrating!

Goodness what a lot of work + progress
I didn't check here before reading find ancestors post .

I'm sorry i wasn't available when you decided to launch your initial search but do call if you have any queries ..if i can help i will ...


+ i agree that its important to summarise findings and put links to other pages on here + add them to the Rootschat page just in case someone does look up in future. ( hard for technophobes to learn all the steps how to do this .)


so pleased you found at least 1 relative to contact .

speak soon .
B

Brigid - perhaps you could add the GR threads links to the one on Rootschat? New eyes may be able to find something we've missed.

Brigid, perhaps you can also take a look for Ezekiel?...seems to be beyond me to find him....

Who haven't we explored? I've lost track :-S

Samuel?

I did start to look at this one the other night


First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name BLOMBERG
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1889
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SAMUEL BLOMBERG married one of these people
HARRIET UPTON, EMILY TURNER
District WEST HAM
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 135
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

There are quite a few possibilities.

The one I was looking at (before himself claimed the PC) had been naturalised in NYC in 1889. Unfortunately I couldn't find him on any census with a wife Sarah who had been foreign born.

There are a few on passenger records but I must admit to not liking the way FMP has transcribed, for instance using broad search on names I came across a Sam B... now looking at the image it's crystal clear, because it's typed, that he is Sam Bloomfield , why not say so in the first place :-|

This was the one. It looks as if they have been an a cruise.

Name: Samuel Bloomberg
Arrival Date: 22 Feb 1927
Birth Date: abt 1862
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: New York, New York
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Orca

Sorry, naturalisation 2 sep 1888.
Sarah (assuming wife) aged 65.
Destination 163 east park way, Brooklyn.

Yup! It seems as if most of the Bloombergs, at least the men, went to the USA. Maybe they thought there was more opportunity for them there. I wrote to Nicholas Rich via the message link but did not find a Watch This to click on. I have also written via ordinary letter post, so will wait to see whether he wishes to make contact. I have discovered such a lot of information and now I must transcribe it all to paper.Bye for now Maureen

there is no Watch This link on a personal message - any reply will appear in your Genes 'In Box'. There will a purple square above the message tab at the top of the community pages.
You'll also receive an email from Genes to your linked email address notifying you if he does reply via this site.
............

You could write to the Temple the Rosenbergs attended in Ohio. They may be willing to put you in conact either with Marvin or one of his children.

I keep coming back to the Phillip barnett Glukstein marriage, to Esther...I can't find anything after the marriage for Philip...but I have just found this and given her birth place I think it may be them...what doo you reckon?


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27 Mill St Colchester Essex, Colchester, Essex, England

Age Birth year Birth place
Barnett Gluckstein Head Married Male Machenist Tailoring 39 1872 Poland
Esther Gluckstein Wife Married Female Tailoress Tailoring 36 1875 Birmingham
Rebecca Gluckstein Daughter Single Female Button Hole Machinist Tailoring 16 1895 London East
Rose Gluckstein Daughter - Female - 14 1897 Liverpool Transcription
Raphael Gluckstein Son - Male School 11 1900 Hackney London

I wonder if this might be the daughter Rebecca if Phillip Barnett Gluckstein also used the Barnett as surname ?

Births Jun 1895 (>99%)

Barnett Rebecca Hackney 1b 582

I think they did a lot of name changing, but only the certs would confirm

Rose Gluckstein seems to have been reg as Glitzenstein in Liverpool

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
Glitzenstein Rose Liverpool 8b 90

and Raphael in Hackney

Births Sep 1899 (>99%)

Glitzenstein Raphael Hackney 1b 532

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Saxony Cottages, 4, Hackney, London, England


Barnett Glitzanstein Head Married Male 32 1869 Tailor Russia
Esther Glitzanstein Wife Married Female 28 1873 Tailoress Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Rebecca Glitzanstein Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Hackney, Middlesex,
Rose Glitzanstein Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Raphael Glitzenstein Son - Male 2 1899 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Sarah Cohen Niece Single Female 17 1884 Servant (Domestic) Russia

?

Deaths Dec 1956 (>99%)
GLUCKSTEIN Barnett 87 Westminster 5c 394

I wonder if Raphael shortened his name to Ralph?

Marriages Sep 1933 (>99%)

Gluckstein Ralph Green Hackney 1b 1326
Green Mary Gluckstein Hackney 1b 1326

Merchant Seamen Transcription

First name(s) RALPH
Last name Gluckstein
Age -
Birth year 1898
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth place London
Birth county London
Place LONDON
Discharge number R 49554
Identity certificate number -
Card type CR1
Date range 1921-1941
Series BT349
Piece number -
Record set Merchant Navy Seamen
Category Education & work
Subcategory Merchant navy & maritime
Collections from Great Britain

It all seems very reasonable! But as we've said before, unless Maureen is willing to buy certificates, its supposition.

Although I'd thought he might have taken the surname Barnett, it was a stroke of genius to consider it might be used as a forename. Well done Rose :-D

Bringing this forward as its too late to do anything tonight

Name: Henry Percy Matthews
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 94

Name: Henry Percy Matthews
Birth Date: abt 1884
Birth Country: England
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Arrival Date: Dec 1910
Port of Arrival: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Residence Country: Canada
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 29
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Henry P Matthews
in the U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Henry P Matthews
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1885 – Birmingham England
Residence: San Francisco, California

Additional info from the image.
Resided at Hotel President, Geary St, San Francisco
Worked for Consilidated Express Co, 72 Townsend, SF. This was also were mail should be sent.
Person who would normally know how to contact him – Mr Gwyn, Hobart Bld, SF.


California, Death Index,
Name: Henry P Matthews
Social Security #: 545225755
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1884
Death Date: 28 Jan 1969
Death Place: Fresno
Mother's Maiden Name: Bloomber
No image, but may be an attempt at Bloomberg?

Its not unusual to get the year of birth wrong when registering a death.
The dob of 18 Dec 1885 would fit with a registration being made early in Jan 1886.

There are other records available which need to be checked