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Children of James Steel of Brampton

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SimontheScholar

SimontheScholar Report 2 Oct 2014 12:10

Hello

My ancestor James Steel was born in 1884 in Brampton to Ephraim Harris Steel and Elizabeth Carruthers.

According to free bmd, he married Jessie Graham in Brampton in 1912.

However I cannot find any children, any help in finding any will be greatly appreciated

my thanks

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Oct 2014 12:22

Maybe Jessie had been married before so mmn will be different on the birth records

How is he an ancestor to you ?

Working back to them will show their children

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:27

Connected

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345225

I think 'ancestor' is misleading.................in view of the other thread's content

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:29

Jessie in 1901, perhaps? But only if she was a spinster when she married

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
White House Cottages, Brampton, Cumberland, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Graham Head Single Male 64 1837 Living On Own Means Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription
Ada Graham Niece Single Female 34 1867 Dressmaker Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription
Jessie Graham Niece Single Female 15 1886 Pupil Teacher (Board Schools) Jarrow, Durham, England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Oct 2014 12:30

Looks like he was in the forces for a time

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British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription
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First name(s) James
Last name Steel
Service number R/86
Regiment Border Regiment
Unit / Battalion 4th Battalion
Event year 1908
Age 23
Birth year 1885
Birth town Brampton
Birth county Cumberland
Birth country England
Residence town -
Residence county -
Series WO 363
Record set British Army Service Records 1914-1920
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection First World War
Collections from Great Britain
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:36


Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)

Graham Jessie A M Steel Brampton 10b 1013
STEEL James Graham Brampton 10b 1013

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:43

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10 Prosfect Ho Cotts, Brampton, Cumberland, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Ada E Graham Mother Single Female 44 1867 Brampton Cumberland Dressmaker Transcription
Jessie A M Graham Daughter Single Female 25 1886 Jarrow Durham Assistant Elementary School Mistress

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:47

If there are no children on freebmd, they didn't have any in England or Wales.

Look for James and Jessie's deaths and find out who registered them, by obtaining a copy of the cert(s)


ADDED

You say you can't find any children................what about the one registered in Carlisle district?

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:48

I wonder whether this was Jessie, with the second initial misread.

First name(s) JESSIE A H
Last name STEEL
Gender Unknown
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1885
Age 81
Death quarter 3
Death year 1966
District BORDER
County Northumberland
Volume 1A
Page 11
Country England

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:57

James was discharged from the Army in November 1914, as being medically unfit for further service

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 13:12

Interesting...........

Name: Ada Lizzie Graham
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 04 Jul 1866
Christening Place: Brampton, Cumberland, England
Mother's Name: Mary Graham


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Parks Cottages, Brampton, Cumberland, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Graham Head - Female 59 1812 - Scotland Transcription
Ada Lisse Graham Granddaughter - Female 4 1867 - Cumberland, England

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 13:25

I would be surprised if this wasn't Ada's mother with family in 1861

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Street, Brampton, Cumberland, England

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Graham Head Married Male 38 1813 Cooper Journey Man Cumberland, England Transcription
Mary Graham Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Scotland Transcription
John Graham Son - Male 14 1837 Scholar Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription
James N Graham Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription
Mary Graham Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription
Allespith Graham Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription
George S Graham Son - Male 0 1851 - Brampton, Cumberland, England Transcription
Sarah Hodgson Visitor Widow Female 42 1809 Washer Woman Cumberland, England

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 13:41

The enumerator in 1851 was obviously unfamiliar with this girl's name

Name: Elspeth Graham
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1849
Registration District: Brampton
County: Cumberland
Event Place: Brampton, Cumberland, England
Volume: 25
Page: 45
Line Number: 21

SimontheScholar

SimontheScholar Report 2 Oct 2014 14:49

Death record for James

Deaths Sep 1947 (>99%)


Steel James 63 Border 1a 8

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 15:13

Any chance of some comments on all the info dug out for you?

Kay????

Kay???? Report 2 Oct 2014 17:20

familysearch has,

Jessie Alice Mary Graham,

Bapt- 3rd Sept 1866,
Brampton Cimberland,

Parent.

Ada Lizzie Graham,

SimontheScholar

SimontheScholar Report 2 Oct 2014 20:43

thank you for the information

It looks like James may not have had children

Kay????

Kay???? Report 2 Oct 2014 21:39


Simon. check out,

Doris Steel bn 1918,,,,,,Carlisle Cumberland ,,mothers maiden name------Graham,

Doris Steel died 1920,,, age 1,,,,,,,Carlisle Cumberland --- could mean just before 2 nd birthday.

SimontheScholar

SimontheScholar Report 26 Oct 2014 16:34

I will obtain the certificates next week to confirm or deny the children born in Carlisle were James and Jessie;s

SimontheScholar

SimontheScholar Report 3 Nov 2014 16:58

I obtained the death certificate of Jessie Steel. The informer on the death certificate is not a family member. They had no children