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family tree at www.mundia.com (same as Ancestry)
shows an Elizabeth Deasy who was resident in California in 1958 and died there in 1987 ... birth is shown as 1913 "other country". No one else in tree but mother Annie Reynolds, and father's given name, James H.
In 1956 a female Deasy with no first name or age travelled from Southampton to New York. ?
There is a household in Cork in 1911 that fits those people:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilbrittain/Kilbrittain_Town/371265/
and has a daughter Hanna aged 10.
A Hannah Deasy married in Islington in 1931. The husband is shown in the index as Archibald BARTTELOT. He was born in 1893 in Petworth and died in 1935 in Pancras. They had one child.
Hannah Barttelot born 1898 died 1981 in Bexley.
Hannah Barttelot, Hannah Bartlett. I am thinking yes. :-)
That Hannah's child married and had several children in the same area in the 1960s ... with distinctly Irish names.
Back to the 1911 Deasy family in Ireland, in 1901 the eldest daughter seems to be in the household of her grandparents, David and Hannah Brickley. In 1901 David was a gardener, in 1911 an agricultural labourer. The rest of the family is here in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kilbrittain/Kilbrittain/1090167/
(with visitor Maggie Brickley) where daughter Hanna seems to be Johanna aged 6 months.
... However the tree at Mundia does show the mother's name as Reynolds ... Perhaps I found the right family ... or the wrong family ... in Ireland by coincidence :-)
I would focus the search in Ireland for events that were around 1900 in Clonakilty which I think was where Kilbrittain may have registered (previously Kilbrittain, later Cork?). For instance Kate Deasy registered there in April-June 1899 would fit Kathleen.
Ann Brickley and James Deasy married in Bandon Ireland in Oct-Dec 1898 (the index at FamilySearch does not match spouses but I found James and then found the Ann who matched his details ... right date and page number ... she also seems to be entered as Buckley).
This could be the entirely wrong family but the Deasy Barttelot marriage seems to me to be the crucial thing in any case.
I would order the marriage certificate of Hannah Deasy and Archibald Barttelot. It would give you her age and father's name so this could be checked further for a connection with Elizabeth Deasy.
always order here
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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I have sent some info about the living people in question but no precise contact info so far.
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Ann has not read my message :-(
Hoping to hear what you think Ann !
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Apologies for not replying to you sooner - thanks a mill for the information.
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Is it okay if I put the message you sent me here Ann? it is so much easier to put it all together this way.
I'll just summarize this bit: Archibald Barttelot was indeed living at the address where Hannah Bartlett subsequently lived, on the electoral roll. Yay.
So we have sorted Hannah for sure I think; she was a Hannah Deasy.
I think the Hanora who shows in the ER in one year is Hannah by another name ... although wait, she was Hanora Deasy, and she was additional to Hannah Bartlett?
The other name you mentioned, on the ER, is her daughter, and that's the one I sent you info about (I just can't find up to date info for her children or specific contact info for her).
If someone has access to 192.com-type info for address listings, maybe you would PM Ann for the info about Hannah's daughter that I sent her and get the full listing for her?
Oh, and maybe also the passenger info for the unnamed female Deasy who travelled to New York in 1956 ... ?
If that is the right Deasy family in the Irish census, and that's just a guess from seemingly conflicting info in a family tree, I think Elizabeth was born after the 1911 census so that's why she isn't there. I would suspect this one:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBTJ-PTG
Name: Elizabeth Deasy
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Jan - Mar 1913
Event Place: Clonakilty, Ireland
>> Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1913
Registration District: Clonakilly
This is the Elizabeth Deasy shown in the on-line family tree:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JG7N-PJ9
Given Name: Elizabeth
Middle Name:
Surname: Deasy
Name Suffix:
>> Birth Date: 27 February 1913
State: California
Last Place of Residence: Monterey, California
Previous Residence Postal Code: 93950
Event Date: September 1987
Age: 74
and that surely would be a match for the birth record above.
The parents' names on that birth ceritificate if you got it could be compared to the census and to the father's name on Hannah Deasy's marriage certificate to see whether it shows they were sisters.
at familysearch you can see that Deasy births were endemic in Clonakilty: 175 from 1895 to 1920. This is a Hannah born 1898:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBJH-6PK
Name: Hannah Deasy
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Jul - Sep 1898
Event Place: Clonakilty, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1898
Registration District: Clonakilty
if she was registered a little tardily, that would match the 25 May 1898 birthdate on Hannah Barttelot's death record.
You did know of an Irish connection for the child born in 1937 ... which it would have been very useful to know !!
So it is not the child you are looking for, it is the child's mother and her family? My guess would be that Elizabeth Deasy returned to Ireland, but just a guess and possibly her niece would know.
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I don't mean to mislead you when I say there is an Irish connection.
The only connection is that the child born in 1937 was fostered in Ireland as a baby. I'm not aware of any other Irish connection. Yes, it's the child's mother and her family I am looking for.
Thanks again for the above info.
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I don't mean to mislead you when I say there is an Irish connection.
The only connection is that the child born in 1937 was fostered in Ireland as a baby. I'm not aware of any other Irish connection. Yes, it's the child's mother and her family I am looking for.
Thanks again for the above info.
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It just seems reasonable to think that the reason a child born in England was fostered in Ireland (I hadn't wanted to post that part without asking) was that the child's mother was from Ireland. :-)
Her mother could have remained in England to work and placed the child with a family back home. Does the area where the child lived fit with any of this info?
just noticed this at familysearch
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VP87-TP6
Name: Elizabeth Veronica Deasy
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 01 Sep 1987
Event Place: Monterey, California, United States
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1913
Birthplace: Other Country
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Reynolds
Mother's Name: Macdonald
that's the same person ... and it suggests that the online tree with the three people in it is very muddled. It has the father as James H Deasy and Annie B. Reynolds.
It looks like the online tree is possibly meant to be for 'our' Elizabeth and just randomly connected her with this one, who looks to be actually a Ms Reynolds married to a Mr Deasy. I blame an Ancestry.com 'hint'. But I wonder whether it might be an idea to contact that tree owner via mundia.com to enquire.
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Hi
The child lived in the same County but had no connection whatsoever to anyone in the area Elizabeth Deasy listed above was born.
Marriage cert and birth cert ordered so hopefully will confirm more info then.
Thanks,
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