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Hi
The child lived in the same County but had no connection whatsoever to anyone in the area Elizabeth Deasy listed above was born.
Marriage cert and birth cert ordered so hopefully will confirm more info then.

Thanks,

It just seems reasonable to think that the reason a child born in England was fostered in Ireland (I hadn't wanted to post that part without asking) was that the child's mother was from Ireland. :-)

Her mother could have remained in England to work and placed the child with a family back home. Does the area where the child lived fit with any of this info?


just noticed this at familysearch

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VP87-TP6

Name: Elizabeth Veronica Deasy
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 01 Sep 1987
Event Place: Monterey, California, United States
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1913
Birthplace: Other Country
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Reynolds
Mother's Name: Macdonald

that's the same person ... and it suggests that the online tree with the three people in it is very muddled. It has the father as James H Deasy and Annie B. Reynolds.

It looks like the online tree is possibly meant to be for 'our' Elizabeth and just randomly connected her with this one, who looks to be actually a Ms Reynolds married to a Mr Deasy. I blame an Ancestry.com 'hint'. But I wonder whether it might be an idea to contact that tree owner via mundia.com to enquire.

I don't mean to mislead you when I say there is an Irish connection.
The only connection is that the child born in 1937 was fostered in Ireland as a baby. I'm not aware of any other Irish connection. Yes, it's the child's mother and her family I am looking for.

Thanks again for the above info.

I don't mean to mislead you when I say there is an Irish connection.
The only connection is that the child born in 1937 was fostered in Ireland as a baby. I'm not aware of any other Irish connection. Yes, it's the child's mother and her family I am looking for.

Thanks again for the above info.

Is it okay if I put the message you sent me here Ann? it is so much easier to put it all together this way.

I'll just summarize this bit: Archibald Barttelot was indeed living at the address where Hannah Bartlett subsequently lived, on the electoral roll. Yay.

So we have sorted Hannah for sure I think; she was a Hannah Deasy.

I think the Hanora who shows in the ER in one year is Hannah by another name ... although wait, she was Hanora Deasy, and she was additional to Hannah Bartlett?

The other name you mentioned, on the ER, is her daughter, and that's the one I sent you info about (I just can't find up to date info for her children or specific contact info for her).

If someone has access to 192.com-type info for address listings, maybe you would PM Ann for the info about Hannah's daughter that I sent her and get the full listing for her?
Oh, and maybe also the passenger info for the unnamed female Deasy who travelled to New York in 1956 ... ?


If that is the right Deasy family in the Irish census, and that's just a guess from seemingly conflicting info in a family tree, I think Elizabeth was born after the 1911 census so that's why she isn't there. I would suspect this one:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBTJ-PTG

Name: Elizabeth Deasy
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Jan - Mar 1913
Event Place: Clonakilty, Ireland
>> Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1913
Registration District: Clonakilly

This is the Elizabeth Deasy shown in the on-line family tree:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JG7N-PJ9

Given Name: Elizabeth
Middle Name:
Surname: Deasy
Name Suffix:
>> Birth Date: 27 February 1913
State: California
Last Place of Residence: Monterey, California
Previous Residence Postal Code: 93950
Event Date: September 1987
Age: 74

and that surely would be a match for the birth record above.


The parents' names on that birth ceritificate if you got it could be compared to the census and to the father's name on Hannah Deasy's marriage certificate to see whether it shows they were sisters.

at familysearch you can see that Deasy births were endemic in Clonakilty: 175 from 1895 to 1920. This is a Hannah born 1898:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBJH-6PK

Name: Hannah Deasy
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Jul - Sep 1898
Event Place: Clonakilty, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1898
Registration District: Clonakilty

if she was registered a little tardily, that would match the 25 May 1898 birthdate on Hannah Barttelot's death record.

You did know of an Irish connection for the child born in 1937 ... which it would have been very useful to know !!

So it is not the child you are looking for, it is the child's mother and her family? My guess would be that Elizabeth Deasy returned to Ireland, but just a guess and possibly her niece would know.

Apologies for not replying to you sooner - thanks a mill for the information.

Ann has not read my message :-(

Hoping to hear what you think Ann !

I have sent some info about the living people in question but no precise contact info so far.

family tree at www.mundia.com (same as Ancestry)

shows an Elizabeth Deasy who was resident in California in 1958 and died there in 1987 ... birth is shown as 1913 "other country". No one else in tree but mother Annie Reynolds, and father's given name, James H.

In 1956 a female Deasy with no first name or age travelled from Southampton to New York. ?

There is a household in Cork in 1911 that fits those people:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilbrittain/Kilbrittain_Town/371265/

and has a daughter Hanna aged 10.

A Hannah Deasy married in Islington in 1931. The husband is shown in the index as Archibald BARTTELOT. He was born in 1893 in Petworth and died in 1935 in Pancras. They had one child.

Hannah Barttelot born 1898 died 1981 in Bexley.

Hannah Barttelot, Hannah Bartlett. I am thinking yes. :-)

That Hannah's child married and had several children in the same area in the 1960s ... with distinctly Irish names.

Back to the 1911 Deasy family in Ireland, in 1901 the eldest daughter seems to be in the household of her grandparents, David and Hannah Brickley. In 1901 David was a gardener, in 1911 an agricultural labourer. The rest of the family is here in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kilbrittain/Kilbrittain/1090167/

(with visitor Maggie Brickley) where daughter Hanna seems to be Johanna aged 6 months.

... However the tree at Mundia does show the mother's name as Reynolds ... Perhaps I found the right family ... or the wrong family ... in Ireland by coincidence :-)

I would focus the search in Ireland for events that were around 1900 in Clonakilty which I think was where Kilbrittain may have registered (previously Kilbrittain, later Cork?). For instance Kate Deasy registered there in April-June 1899 would fit Kathleen.

Ann Brickley and James Deasy married in Bandon Ireland in Oct-Dec 1898 (the index at FamilySearch does not match spouses but I found James and then found the Ann who matched his details ... right date and page number ... she also seems to be entered as Buckley).

This could be the entirely wrong family but the Deasy Barttelot marriage seems to me to be the crucial thing in any case.

I would order the marriage certificate of Hannah Deasy and Archibald Barttelot. It would give you her age and father's name so this could be checked further for a connection with Elizabeth Deasy.

always order here

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Following on the idea of a birth in Ireland, two members of this website have the name Elizabeth Deasy in the right era in their trees, born 1900 (which sounds estimated?) and 1912 in Ireland. You could contact them, to rule them out if possible if nothing else.

Also at FamilySearch it shows four Elizabeth Deasy marriages in Ireland after 1937
1946
1947
1952
1958

The Irish births and marriages are concentrated in Cork.

Sounds like you have an address. Have you considered looking at old electoral rolls to find who was living there? These can be found at the library closest to the address.

Rose

These are Hannah Bartletts who die after 1963 in the London area.
But she could have easily moved away from London (or Hannah might have been her middle name).

Hannah M Bartlett abt 1885 Jun 1966 Bexley Greater London
Hannah Florence Bartlett 1894 Jun 1978 Wandsworth Greater London
Hannah Bartlett 1900 Aug 1990 Lewisham London

I have looked up 'North London' as I was getting confused, apologies to those who know it already, unfortunately none of those deaths in North London:

'City of London and the London boroughs of Barking and Dagenham, Barnet, Brent, Camden, Ealing, Enfield, Hackney, Hammersmith and Fulham, Haringey, Harrow, Havering, Hillingdon, Hounslow, Islington, Kensington and Chelsea, Newham, Redbridge, Tower Hamlets, Waltham Forest, and Westminster.'

Hi,
Thanks for this information.

Older relatives did not have much information (or would not share it)
Elizabeth Deasy was a 'Domestic' in Hannah Bartlett's house.
Hannah Bartlett was listed as Elizabeths next of kin. I have no idea of her age.

If you look on free bmd births, you will find another Deasy/Deasy birth in 1945 in Hampstead.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

You can apply for the birth certificate if you follow through on the links given.

If the baby was not legally adopted, then more information must have been known by other people?

How does Hannah Bartlett fit in (foster mother?) - and do you have any indication of her age?

Hi
The birth of baby was the end of December 1937 in Hampstead.
As there was no fathers name on the birth cert I assume the mother was unmarried.
I'm not aware of any other Deasy birth in same area in 1945. Where could I see this birth cert?
Baby was not legally adopted so no files available.

Thanks for help.

Is a birth for Elizabeth in Ireland most likely?

There are Elizabeth Deasy births there in
1903
1904
1912
1913
1917
1918

just looking for births between 1900 and 1922 in connection with a birth in 1937

https://familysearch.org/search

but the information available there does not include anything beyond name (some have middle names), date and place

If that is the case she might have returned there.

Patchem,

That birth showing on Ancestry must be this one:

Births Dec 1872 (>99%)
Deasy Elizabeth Strand 1b 577

Strand district ceased to exist after 1913.

Rose

There's another Deasy birth in Hampstead in 1945. Is this related?

Rose

I cannot see that birth in 1937, could you post any further details?

Added:
One showing in 1938, so birth at the end of 1937, in Hampstead?

Does the birth certificate show that Elizabeth Deasy was unmarried?

Any further information about Hannah?

If the child of Elizabeth was adopted, do you have the adoption files?

Thank-you

Added
Birth?
Elizabeth Deasy
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1915
Registration District: Strand
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 577
But image not available to check on ancestry, and not showing on free bmd.

There is a possible marriage showing in Hendon in 1945 (from ancestry) unfortunately to a Walker.