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i do hope she is found safe and well :((((

Peter
16/09/2007 16:35:34

There is no comparison between these scenarios.

The fact is the McCann's made a conscious decision to leave their children alone and unattended for several hours whilst they went out and partied with friends.

The other parents didn't.

well said peter my thoughts exactly i do not know how anyone can say this case compares to people who have lost children while out playing or otherwise it is not the same, the mccanns had a choice of a babysitting service but chose not to use it why?

The comparason is there are children who are not with there parents, however they went missing.

I cannot see how some of you cannot see that. Unless of course you think the McCanns went out that night with a note on the door, saying please take our eldest daughter.


Get over the fact that the McCanns wern't in, Madeleine should have been safe, we're not discussing babysitting services, we're discussing a child going missing, or is that unimportant to some of you?

Unidentified people/missing persons links, if anyones interested.
http://nmph.underwired.com/unidentified_persons.php?page=22#

http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightEurope/index.php?showforum=75

The fact is...she wasn't safe though was she?
She would still have been there if she was.


Marion

Madelaine missing is the single most important point,

The fact remains that she and her siblings and the friends children would have been FAR SAFER sat at the table whilst the adults dined, be it eating or asleep in their buggies,

Wealth does not make anyone immune from responsibility

Caz x

i am discussing babysitting services has they had a choice to use one.........

the other missing childrens families around the world didn't....

jet

I don't get why people keep debating why the McCanns left their kids in the hotel room. It happened and it can't be changed. Chatting about it won't alter that. The only people that can answer why they did it are the McCanns - not anyone on this board. So why keep picking over it?

If she'd got hit by a bus when out wandering looking for her parents...........

Who would you blame?

The parents for leaving her or the bus for hitting her?

Ok I admit it's not a perfect analogy. But until abduction is actually proven which it hasn't been. Or the McCanns involvement in Madeleines disappearance is proven which it hasn't been - this is the way I see things with regard to the neglect issue.

They were irresponsible to leave those kids for such long periods. And not once have they said they did wrong.

*At worst naive* .I dispute that.

I signed in to have a chat and a laugh however I think it's best i disappear for the night. So shan't be answering anyone. Not ignoring. nite xx

Why cant people just have opinions
you dont have to agree if they dont suit
but blimey we all pay our subs and should be able to say what we like ,
if threadfs go up
then peeps are gonna put their opinions on it
atleast we can all agree on one thing
that we hope maddie is found safe and sound
Rosex

In this day and age, this world is not a safe place. Because of the way things are, we don't walk down quiet side roads, along unused tracks at night. places where we know there are going to be gangs of teenagers hanging round in groups etc. We take care in everything we do every day to keep ourselves safe. It is something we have to do. If we are sensible, we don't take chances, ever. If there are real options which mean we stay safe, we take those options - every time. We make that choice.

Why then did Kate and Gerry think they could take a 'chance' with their three little ones. Why did they not take the options that were open to them:

1 use the creche/babysitting service
2 eat in
3 go out together with one of their friends looking after their three little ones

Our children's lives are so precious, you just don't take any chances. You never presume in this awful world that they are safe just because you believe they will be.

The burden of responsibility lies with them and that is a sad fact in this case. Madeleine is the one with her brother and sister that was left to chance. Chance that they were going to be safe left on their own.

Lyn x

I agree Muffy, if the little one had fallen in the pool, who would have been to blame?

But what is the point in discussing it, Lyn? What good does it do anyone?

Well said Lynn, we as parents cannot afford to take risks,

Rosie, you are right, this board as far as I know is democratic. We are all allowed to express our opinions without fear of recrimination

Caz x

Uggers, it is being discuissed as a result of the initial post on this thread, that they are planning now to use a chunk of the money to advertise further. My initial post quoted from the press regarding this. the responses that have followed have led to many points that we as responsible adults are able to reply to and add to.

Some of those posts have made comparisons to other cases such as Jamie Bulger and his mum Denise which I responded to. Other child abduction cases have also been highlighted. Comparisons have been drawn where there aren't any and these comments require a response which has led to the discussion of the fact that some of the situations where children have gone missing cannot be compared to this because these people did not leave their children in an unsafe situation.

The nature of this boards is a discussion board and that's what is happening. So far in a reasonable adult manner.

Lyn x

Good for Richard, my point was the other kids deserve to have some publicity too. But their parents probably cant afford it. Why is everyone treating the McCanns as though they're heroes? < My opinion!

has he given any to the missing people helpline too?


although they deal with adults and children it is also upsetting to lose any family member no matter how old and they need the money to keep going too i would think?

correct me if i am wrong/
jet

Well I disagree, Lyn:) I can understand the comparisons with other parents of missing or murdered children because I can remember blame being apportioned to Lindy Chamberlain and Denise Bulger to name two.

As we are all allowed to say what we think, I will say that it seems a lot of you are taking a gratuitous pleasure in picking over the bones of other people's unhappiness. But, it's a free world and if it floats your boats I can't stop you.

They probably try to if they think it'll lead to their child being found, but normally it's a fight to get the case on the news/in the papers. I suppose with Kate having a friend who worked for GMTV, it helps their case.

Uggers

I'm glad you disagree because it highlights the fact that this is a fiar thread, we are entitled to express our opinions and should not get shot down for doing so.

These other parents did not though make a choice to put their children at risk. To say that they were at worst naive is an awful thing to say. Denise Bulger is living with the knowledge of what those two boys did to her son fifteen years ago. I hope and pray that little Madeleine hasn't gone through a fraction of what poor little Jamie Bulger went through.

If they only admitted that they were completely wrong to have left their three children alone it would make a difference. They don't even have the grace to do that.

Lyn x