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Looking onimous, but has got to be her:
1871 England Census
Name: Mary Simmons
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chatham, Kent, England
Civil parish: Sandhurst
Town: Sandhurst
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Easthampstead
Sub-registration district: Sandhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Simmons 50 - butler; Ireland
Mary Simmons 36
John Simmons 15 - ship to India
Mary A Simmons 14 - East Terda, Danepore [Cawnpore, East India?? - image is 'East Inda, Dronepore]
Ellen B Simmons 9 - Chatham, Kent
Henry Simmons 7 - Aldershot
Elizabeth Simmons 5
Jane Simmons 4
Thomas Simmons 3
Catherine Simmons 2
James Simmons 1
William Simmons 1 mo

All other children born Sandhurst


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Deaths Dec 1891
Simmons John 71 Farnham 2a 77

Ozi


that looks good


Mary A Simmons was born ca 1857, looks like Cawnpore


The Siege of Cawnpore was a key episode in the Indian rebellion of 1857. The besieged British in Cawnpore (now Kanpur) were unprepared for an extended siege and surrendered to rebel Indian forces under Nana Sahib, in return for a safe passage to Allahabad. However, under ambiguous circumstances, their evacuation from Cawnpore turned into a massacre, and most of them were killed. Those captured were later executed, as an East India Company rescue force from Allahabad approached Cawnpore; in what came to be known as the Bibighar Massacre


Date of the Siege of Cawnpore was June 5-25, 1857



Now, I am NOT suggesting that the Simmons were in Cawnpore at the actual time of the siege ...... it looks as though it might have been very surprising for them to have survived. BUT they might have been stationed in Cawnpore prior to the Siege, and that is where Mary Ann was born.



sylvia

Perhaps not India at all.

Marriages Sep 1881
Harding Annie Amelia Farnham 2a 167
LIDIARD Edward Farnham 2a 167
Simmons Mary Ann Farnham 2a 167 <<<<<<<<<<
WARD James Alexander Farnham 2a 167 <<<<<<<<<<

1891 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Ward
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: East Indies
Civil parish: Frimley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: York Town
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Barossa Lane

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
Household Members:
Name Age
James Ward 47 - Army Pensioner; Scotland
Mary Ann Ward 33
John Ward 14 - Groom; Camberley
Elizabeth Ward 9
James Ward 7

Goodmorning all and thank you all so far for your help ,i think Simmons looks good so going to ring the cementry up to see if Mary is there,will let you no how i get on

Ozi has done brilliantly......good one..

Regards Vera

Have just rang one cemetery up but was,nt the right one she ask did i have post code i told her no,so dont know were to find which Camberley Cemetery were shes buried ,so then i would be sure its here anyone got any suggestions cant ring them all up as i live in Holland and hubby would have a fit

Dutch which cemetery have you tried? you know there is the Royal Military Academedy Cemetery in Sandhurst, Camberley also...I don't know if 'civilians' were ever buried there but it may be a possible if she had a military funeral as you say.


Why not write them a letter to check?

Hi Rose,the one i rang was,nt the right one but i,ll sort out the letters as i did send one to Sandhurst but they wrote back saying they could,nt help as i did,nt have her las name ,so now i,ll try again

have just sent email to them see what they say

keep us informed Dutch :)) fingers crossed !

xx

Will do Rose but have just notice that Mary was born in Chatham Kent ,but she was born in America.or am i looking at the wrong one

I wouldn't worry on place of birth too much Dutch, the rest ties in pretty well, often people say where they first remember living rather than where they were actually born,

Rose yes as they did,nt always get things right them days,was just thinking if i should get death cert for Mary or wait till i hear from Sandhurst what you think

I'd wait i think Dutch, see if Sandhurst come up with something ?

Have just had email from Sandhurst Mary is,nt buried there but he has give me three more email address that might help ,so will let you know when i get replys

Have just had reply from St Michaels church in Camberley they do have Mary Simmons but shes in unmarked grave buried 1934 so i dont think its her as she was born about 1837 anyway i have the lady dos she no who buried,but if she was buried with military honours ,it would,nt be unmarked as my g,father has stone from his regt

Quite Right Dutch....she would have a headstone.
Regards Vera

Got reply saying if my g,g,aunt was buried with military honours ,then she is more than likely inBrookwood Military cemetery Camberley,you can look yourself or pay them to look ,but i cant afford to do that is there any kind person who could look for me ,thank you
Dutch

Nudge up for reference , records

Have just had reply from History centre Surrey,regarding Mary he said if she went for tea with Queen Victoria ,then it implies that she had some connection with one of the regt of the British Army stationed in India 1857-8,its probably more likely that she was an officers wife or relation rather than non commissioned officer or odinary soldier,he said to get her death cert ,all the records are held in Windsor Castle in the Royal Archives,so now got to fathom what to do?