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yes this is what it reads
29th december 1889 ,4 Ball Court ,Gillspur street,
William Tyler male age 48,Beadle Christ Hospital
then it has cause of death which i cant read
informant,Ann Tyler widow of deceased ,present at death and the same address,registered 1st December 1890

have delete other thread so dont get everyone in amuddle

also they were both at that address in 1886

So the re marriage of Ann, is AFTER William's death...possibly the one Shirley posted

is this a possible
Marriages Mar 1897

Hart James Pancras 1b 99
Seviour Elizabeth Louisa Pancras 1b 99
Shaw Samuel Pancras 1b 99 >>>>>
Tyler Ann Pancras 1b 99 >>>>>

Dutch what made you think Ann wasn't still married to William when he died? am i missing something here?

Ok so from the London records confirming that marriage IS likely to be the one (see father's name) Ann is a Widower address 92 marchmont st


Name: Ann Tyler
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Spouse Name: Samuel Shaw (Butcher)
Spouse Age: 49
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Jan 1897
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Henry Mclaughlan *******
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Shaw

I dont know Rose with the marriage date for 1885,the one alady found for me was Ann Tyler married to John Thomas shaw june-sept 1885 Lambeth
Are they on the census as i know Ann gave interview about the Army record which was hard to beat,as she was the daughter,sister.wifeand mother of soldiers,and all her sons were in the army,and her daughters and her sisters married into the army
the interview bySunday News took place in quite street in Islington in 1927 but dos,nt give name of the street,i know Ann was 78yrs old then but dont no when she died

Rose thats the right one her father was Henry her sister Mary i have been trying to find the marriage for her,but without any sucess as i know shes buried with military honours but cant look for her grave as i dont no her married name or when she died,i no were shes buried and ive rang up but got no joy,if i could find her it would be realy great as Queen Victoria sent acoach to bring her to the palace for tea for her bravery in the Indian Mutiny as she crawled over slain bodies to bring water to her her husband,but she was born in America as Henry her dad was in the army and they came from Ireland,nobody has been able to help so far with this one aright brick wall

Rose does it have page vol number and page number please

Thats interesting Dutch, there will be a record of that somewhere I'm sure...i will see what I can find.

I will send the image for that marriage to you via email Dutch

ok thank you and this is what i have on Anns family on 1851 census
Henry Mc Glockland age 38,private soldier born Ireland .notice surname is spelled different but still same family
mother Bridget,age 34 born Ireland
Mary age 15 Americian british subject
Elizabeth age 10,American british subject
Ellen age 7 ,Amercian british subject
Ann age 2,born Brompton Kent
Henry age2, born Brompton Kent

Searchers please help ! :))

This is a copy of the letter Dutch has emailed me...it is in small print so am typing up the important part. It is from a newspaper dated 1927...Islington.

"Mrs Ann Shaw's connection with the British Army ....her late father John McLaughlin served for 21 years in the 58th foot in Wellington's time. Two of (Ann shaws) brothers Henry and john joined the 21st Scots fusiliers, Henry being killed in the Burmese War while John is claimed by his sisters to have been a buglar at balaclava.

In 1866 before she was 18 years, Mrs Shaw married her first husband,in Camberley, Sgt William tyler of the 8th Hussars.

Her 5 sons have all been soldirs, William 2nd leuitenant in the Indian Army.John was a sargeant in the South African forces.Charles who was killed in the retreat from Mons,a private in the 1st North hants reg. Frederick a private in the Black Watch and Francis a private in the 13th London regiment.

Her four daughters were all born in barracks and married soldiers.Her 3 sisters who also followed the colours saw many hardships as she did.

one sister mary during the Indian mutiny risked her life crawling over bodies to take water to her husband. She was buried at Camberley with military honours."

Further to this Dutch has just sent me a copy of the marriage cert Ann to William Tyler (Soldier) farnham 1866...definitely has father as Henry McLaughlin (labourer).

Any help on this would be appreciated!

Particularly useful might be the 1911 for Ann Shaw Islington ...I can't find her in 1901? can someone?

Nudged for Vera!

Thanks Rose.
Regards Vera

Rose,
Could I have the details for the 1911 please ?

Regards Vera

ah now that's the problem Vera lol, we know that Ann Shaw was in Islington in 1927 from the newspaper article...but not if she was there in 1911... really need to find her with some of her sons or poss husband Samuel Shaw, on 1901 first

I did this Ann with the right birthplace but probably too young?

Name: Annie Shaw
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Samuel
Gender: Female
Where born: Brompton, Kent, England

Civil parish: Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour, Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 236
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Shaw 53
Annie Shaw 47
Joseph J Shaw 10

I've been trying to find one of the sons on military records to see if there's a clue there but I don't know if they are Tyler or Shaw.

Thanks K...there just seems to be a discrepancy somewhere which I can't find an answer to? If as the article says she was under 18 in 1866 marriage....it doesn't give much leeway...i'm still not convinced that the second marriage to Samuel Shaw is right because of the father's name being Henry rather than John?