General Chat

Daff, I have lived in Wales since 1940, so reckon I have a right to agree with you. Plaid and the welsh labour party are trying to make us a foreign nation in the British isles. I do not speak welsh, whats more, with a stall for 8 years on Abergavenny market I only once heard welsh spoken, though valley people came every week. I'm going to vote for Mac!

Glad I could be of service, Dianne .......................................

Which one of the gay/lesbian people you know are you going to tell first that you have so little respect for them that you plan to vote for the party whose very slim agenda includes denying them the ability to marry the person of their choice?

Will all your women friends thank you when these bozos vote to revoke their right to control their own bodes?

Is there a party they can vote for, to return the favours?

Janey

There are many parties they can vote for according to their own choice.

It is my choice who I vote for.

But may I say thank you for your charming input.

Dianne xx

It is very rarely what is written in a manifesto that is the danger...it is what is NOT said, but is 'subtly'(?) implied that one needs to keep one's eye on.

My 'qualifications' in English Lit may not have changed my life...but they have made me much more aware of the 'subtext' !

Janey a question for you please.

My late sister was vehemently against any part of her council tax being appropriated for 'lesbian and gay rights'.
She loved my gay friends and so was not in any way homophobic. However, she chose NOT to pay that portion of her council tax which had been allocated to something she didn't fundamentally feel should be paid for by her.

She calculated what percentage of her bill would be used for that cause and deducted it from her payment enclosing a letter to explain why.

The council did not pursue her for that money and obviously credited her account. Norman Tebbit was her MP at the time and I know he got a very 'hot under the collar' letter from her too...lol

My point is everyone has the right to hold a belief and not to be held to account for it by the local/national politicians.
Each of us has the opportunity to express our unease with government actions if we would only take the time to do so.

Those that feel aggrieved by any aspect of the English Democratic party can contact them, contact the press, open a blog and speak out.

Why shouldn't political parties state their true aims should they be elected? Would you rather they fluffed it all up and only exposed their true agenda later? At least this particular party have been upfront, is that wrong?


Sue

Uh, SuperC, what did she think she was paying for?

Bathhouses for the gay?

How exactly did her council taxes pay for the "cause" of GLBT rights?

There's a whole danged lot of things I don't believe in. Some of the current military occupations of foreign countries, for starters.

How are UK citizens who deduct their share of the cost of the invasion and occupation of Iraq from their taxes doing? Certainly the whole country would be doing a whole lot better if everybody did that ...

Everybody has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want.

Requiring that people pay taxes for the costs of programs that have been established by their DEMOCRATICALLY elected representatives is not "holding them to account". Putting them in prison for their beliefs, now that would be holding them to account. Heck, so would making them pay a fine. Requiring someone to pay taxes is neither of those things.

How about if people who don't have children stop deducting the cost of schools and playgrounds from their taxes ... How about if us atheists decide we don't want to pay taxes to have snow cleared from roads in front of churches and mosques and so on ... How about if racists start deducting the portion of their taxes that provides public services to people of colour ... ?

Your sister should have had collection action taken against her. Period. Just like anybody else who doesn't pay their taxes should and does.


"Why shouldn't political parties state their true aims should they be elected?"

Why in &%$# are you asking me this question??

Let them sing it out loud and proud.

"Those that feel aggrieved by any aspect of the English Democratic party can ... speak out."

I think I did. I'm sure many are and will.

the rules on refugees as far as i know is
that they go to the nearest boarder of safely
why should my taxes go to keep them
when no boarder of the British isles are at war
so they should not be here
not racist but common sense
and somebodys sexuality is no concern of mine
so why should i pay extra on my rates
if they have extra financial needs let them pay for this themselves
i have just spoken to one of my gay friends on the phone
i wanted his views and he said
he will be voting English democrat
I said i was still undecided
Also why should foreign country
have control over a British port ie Dover

Joy, what *are* you talking about??

"and somebodys sexuality is no concern of mine
so why should i pay extra on my rates
if they have extra financial needs let them pay for this themselves"

What "extra financial needs" does someone have that taxes pay for, because they're gay or lesbian??

"he will be voting English democrat"

Hey, lots of people vote stupidly. Maybe he's just self-loathing, and doesn't think he should be able to marry the person he wants to marry. Maybe he doesn't want to get married and doesn't care about anybody else. Maybe he's a bigot himself and just incidentally gay. Maybe he doesn't know what their platform is ...

Well Janey, as no action was taken against my sister they must have felt they were standing on quicksand...lol perhaps they didn't want the publicity in case a number of other interfering old people joined her and made deductions too.

Aren't we supposed to live in a democracy not under a dictatorship? She was excercising her democratic right on a moral issue and I for one am proud of her.

We signed up for free movement across the EU...which works both ways.

When some E European countries entered the EU a couple of years ago that meant they had the automatic right to enter the country without limits....and for us to enter theirs.

Refugees are a tiny part of immigration.

This governments failure to negotiate terms before these countries joined is what's caused the issues.

While we're in the EU under the terms that we're there under... there's naff all we can do about it.

xx

And ...

"the rules on refugees as far as i know is
that they go to the nearest boarder of safely
why should my taxes go to keep them
when no boarder of the British isles are at war"

Yes, isn't it nice to be an island? No borders at all ...

We in Canada border only the US. So we can tell them all to stay out too. The US itself borders only Mexico and Canada, so no refugees for them. Heck, most of Europe borders only other bits of Europe, so we can all just tell them to turn around and go back.

Let the rest of the world bear the burden. Our countries have no international obligations to help with international problems, and we have no moral duty to people in danger ...

Yeah, Muffy. We sure don't hear much about how the English / Brits should stop going to live in other people's countries ...

It's just the white folks' burden, to be entitled to live wherever you want!

he certianly isnt a bigot!!!

who are we to tell others how they vote, or that there voting stupidly!

we each have a right to vote, and we each have a right to vote what ever party we wish to vote for

so get of ya soap box!

"perhaps they didn't want the publicity in case a number of other interfering old people joined her and made deductions too"

I suspect so.

"Aren't we supposed to live in a democracy not under a dictatorship? She was excercising her democratic right on a moral issue and I for one am proud of her."

Can you direct me to where the democratic right to refuse to pay taxes is written down?

My constitution gives me the democratic right to vote. I've never seen anything about how if I don't like the outcome I get to pitch a fit and say I'm not going to recognize the results.

How 'bout those war taxes, then?

What on earth does paying taxes levied by democratically elected bodies have to do with dictatorship? I'm just not getting this.

And I *still* have no idea exactly what it was she was refusing (or said she was refusing) to pay for.

If not bathhouses for the gay ... ?

I don't think we should've signed up for it...don't get me wrong.

Other EU countries put a limit on it...we didn't...

but until that changes we're pretty much stuck with it.

C'est La vie xx

Re funding for Gay issues..I thought I would have a look and see where my council tax this year is going locally...

as far as I can see it is going to a

"helpline for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities"

I rather think given the rise in homophobia I see amongst the youngsters here **( not to mention the entrenched view of some of the oldies) , that a helpline is a very small thing to ask me as a tax payer to fork out for...I am sure that if my son were gay I would appreciate there being some place he could turn who would give independent advice and support...........

As a home educating mum I am still paying a proportion of my tax towards education....should I be claiming that back because I am paying for someone elses child...not mine?

NB *** by "here" I mean where I live not GR...

And when it comes to helplines -- surely all those battered women are the author of their own misfortune and should suck it up and deal. Or at least there are many who would say so.

So I guess they get to deduct that cost from their taxes ...

our taxation pays lots of silly little groups for minoritys
that make no difference to our existence
we should all be treated the same
i know of an Iraqi girl who is here claiming asylum
because she is a lesbian
and said she will be put to death in her own country
but she is not allowed to work
so we the tax payers are paying her keep
why cant she go home and just tell nobody she is a lesbian
Michael said he doesnt have to be married to his partner of 11 years
he said its just a waste of paper
and his vote is his to use as he pleases

Janey ,we have 2 levels of taxes here,,,,

one we pay to our local authority,,,,for the good of the county expenses,,,,,,roads,pavements upkeep,libaries,musems,record and archive offices, playareas,,,,,;;;;;;;;;;;;;etc...
this is local council tax,,,buisnesses pay an extra local tax on top aswell,,,,,,,varies from county to county how much,,,,,,
London is high very high...
the other taxes are a deduction from wages/earning which wrok on a scale more you earn more you pay,,,,,,,, that is paid to the gov for everything thats paid out of it,,,,from the pm wages to the royal menu,,,,,,,,

talk about taking it to the extreme janey,

who cares who others vote for cant poeple have an opinion different to yours?? without geting a lecture and you taking it to the extreme

no wonder i dont do politics, and dont vote!