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Janey !!! You dish out enough 'crud' on here ( everyone does, me included) ...the site which I 'pay for' also...but it IS your choice to post it , as it IS mine ,as it WAS of the original poster of an ...albeit annoying, trite, factually spurious ..but to them, comforting, poem.

your post was unclear, re rape and your phrase ( correct?? close to) " the exploiting of women as prostitutes" ...that caused offense not your opinions on the 'poem' . The implication, intended, or otherwise was that it is a 'soldier' thing...blind obedience and outright thuggery..... that IS how it read to me and others, badly worded maybe but it offended those who have served , and their parents , children, and friends

Excuse me, LisaJJ:

"So are you saying that all soldiers past and present dont defend their countries....so your ancesters who fought, what exactly were they doing then??"

Now, if I say to you:

So are you saying that no soldier in the history of the world has ever done a single bad thing?

would you consider that worthy of response?

I sure wouldn't, if I were you. But who knows?

Little Buglar, if you enjoy the sight of your own voice, you can keep repeating "questions" that have been answered. I find it boring, but it's your choice.

So let's be honest, LisaJJ.

THIS is what I said:



LisaJJ, I'm sorry, but I have no idea how your brothers, or anyone else, are "serving their country" in Iraq.

They are doing a job they are sent to do. They are "serving their country" in the sense that any employee serves their employer. They are not protecting their country, or defending their country, or anything at all like. They are protecting and defending very particular interests, which are not the interests of the people of their country (other than the people who stand to profit from controlling Iraq's resources) or the people of the world.



So who are the "they" I was referring to?

All soldiers?

I don't think so. Do you?


Since I was NOT referring to "all soldiers", your "question" to me:

"So are you saying that all soldiers past and present dont defend their countries....so your ancesters who fought, what exactly were they doing then??"

was completely out of order.

and wives

rose im glad you put it back on course
details very quickly go out of my head

in asking about the poem originally the thread detracted from it by stating soldiers rape and murder

thats what made me engraged to start with

for someone with a lot of hatred for the soldiers
janey you seem generally filled with hatred for any one and anything
may they word something to your distaste ,

This has pretty much degenerated into the tag-team who will brook no dissent when it comes to the military vs. me, well, vs. a particular representation of me.

I do have to get that job done now.

im sure reference defending thier country

i did say in a thread down the page
soldiers in afghanistan are trying to rid this country of the fear of terrorist attack
like bombing airports, shoppin centres, trains,

and also they are tryin to stop the trail of drugs from these terrorist, heroin, coming into this country,


this is how they defend our country

oh but your in canada arent you janey

over 50 million peeps reckon they are serving there country . janeycanuk reckons they are just doing a job .

who is wrong here ? dur easy answer .

you know how to insult people you know lots of words . that,s all you know . you know sweet fa about real life .

got the balls to stand on the front line ? thought not then wind yer neck in

Fee xx

wish i cud say it as simple as that JF

".......the military vs. me, well, vs. a particular representation of me."

equally you might have said

"me versus the military well, vs. a particular representation of the military" ?

I could ask you what your opinion was on Iraq's invasion of Kuwait which started the '1st Gulf War'...or the scorched earth policy of saddam, or his slaughter of the Kurds... was the second Iraq war justified to 'finish the job' that Bush bottled out of ie removing Saddam once and for all?....

all just words, and opinions... but this month as last , young men die, and women ...and men...weep for them as they are carried home , so now is not the time to blacken a soldiers name or repututaion, individually or collectively...

leave it till there is no one grieving, when 'History' will decide the 'verdict' on who did most or least .

Goodnight LB sleep well :)

night LB
sweet dreams

and dont worry bout feeling uneducated,
me or hubby feel same every time we talk to our son, we dont need someone
like that to say it,
an i didnt join the army, (well i forgot i did when i got married lol)

xx

to borrow a bit from the film " a few good men " its only because of people like LB we can all sleep well and safe in our beds .

janeycanuk may be educated but she certainly aint inteligent .

doin a job ........ that has given me the right hump ! !

Fee xx

Some purely sickening stuff here.


No, Rose, I have not offered ANY representation of the military. That is kind of the entire point.


Julie Ann, if some country wants to "defend itself" against an influx of drugs, there are a lot of things it can do. One is to put pressure on to have the opium poppy crop in Afghanistan legalized, so that small, impoverished farmers can grow it legally, not be beholden to or intimidated by organized criminals or "terrorists", pay taxes, educate their children and contribute to the development of their communities -- and the opium can be used to make pain-killing drugs for sale at reasonable prices to other less developed countries.

That would make too much sense, wouldn't it? I wonder whether it would be contrary to someone's interests ...

And btw, why not acknowledge that I SAID that Afghanistan is a particular case because there WAS a credible threat to international security?

Not from drugs -- international law really doesn't allow for invading countries because they produce things another country doesn't like. If that were the case, Canada would be free to invade the US because its irresponsible firearms laws result in guns being smuggled into Canada and being used in crimes and murders on our streets.

I'm of two minds on Afghanistan but tend toward opposition to the current "mission", which Canada is a participant in, in numbers disproportionate to our population. In fact, this job I have to finish is about that very thing ...


Just Fee: "got the balls to stand on the front line ? thought not then wind yer neck in"

Got a question? Any chance you could ask it in a civil manner?

Whatever. I'll give you an answer.

For several years I was active in supporting the Iranian resistance to the Khomeini regime. I did things that regime didn't like. Someone I knew was knifed by an embassy operative. I was followed by men with guns who accused me by name of having arranged for one of their star athletes to defect.

You ever done anyting like that, Just Fee? You ever put your safety and possibly life on the line in the service of victims of a murderous regime?


Little Buglar: "Well, I never got my simple, short answers I asked for. Just a load of cryptic twaddle that made the Times crossword a sinch."

Tough bananas. And it's "cinch".

Oh, and I'm still waiting for someone to quote a single personal attack by me in this thread. (No, saying that someone's prose is incoherent is not a personal attack.)

Shall I compile the insults and attempts at character assassination against myself?

Long live free speech, sez I!

like everything else - in your opinion .

compile what you freekin well like

Fee xx

LisaJJ -- why is it that you make the false claim that I have not answered the dear fellow's questions?

just read your big long post and by the way yes i have thank you

when the bosnian war was at its height i was helping and protecting children many of whom were orphaned

so like i said wind yer neck in - please

Fee xx

I'm getting even more nauseated.

I answered Little Buglar's questions. Your "question" asking me why I didn't is therefore a false claim.

It's what's called a loaded question. It is loaded with a false premise. It is exactly the same as me asking you: "Why don't you stop beating your dog?"


"Oh and to add did you not claim or whatever that soldiers were rapists and murderers??"

Yes, why not multiply your sins? Why not use every deceitful trick in the book to score points by making your adversary look like a lying, vicious person not worthy of being heard?

So you're claiming that no soldier has ever been a rapist or murderer?

Tell me. Are you really trying to pretend that I said that ALL soldiers are rapists and murderers? Are you really that desperate?

Just Fee: "when the bosnian war was at its height i was helping and protecting children many of whom were orphaned"

And where was that then? Somewhere where your safety or life was in danger because of what you were doing?


You or others may also have missed where I spent a lot of time working to protect refugees from Saddam Hussein's regime. As the Iraqi embassy also was well aware. Twenty-five years ago. Where were all the soldiers then, hm?