General Chat

Interesting points Sue.

I do Sue!!
My meat what little I eat,Is Organic,I know the place it comes from,the animals have a good life.
I could happilly live without meat,my husband however cant:-)lol

lol Roxanne,

People didn't reject hardwoods when deforestation began. Indigenous tribes were driven out and it was decades before the world took notice.

I don't agree with the way some animals are killed to adhere to religious beliefs. It won't stop though.

I loathe bullfighting too, ever since my first experience in about 1960.

I guess we all have our own tolerances and live with our own consciences accordingly.

Interesting debate though.

Sue x

All generations are harassed by the tyranny of fashion.

I never have followed fashion................but don't like the feel of fur on my neck *shudders*

I have worn fur (coney, in the 1960's) but probably wouldnt now because I now know just how inhumane is the treatment of any animals bred specifically for their fur, and the trapping of wild animals specifically for their fur.

I do wear leather, do eat meat and am your typical hypocrite because to be honest the thoughts of how the animals that produce these consumables are raised and slaughtered does not register with me on the same scale.

Jac XX

If the modern person had to kill the animals he eats, the number of vegetarians would rise astronomically.

Dermot,

I have killed animals, that was my choice to ensure that their death was as compassionate as possible. My children were also present so they appreciated what was on their plate!

Also escorted larger ones to the abattoir? Have you out of interest?

Apparently carrots scream when you pull them up......

Carrots? Imagine how mine felt on Sun when I grated them then boiled them in soup and steamed the rest beside turnip, cabbage and corn. I wondered what the noise was lol.

Marion

And I'm sure that pots dont like being scraped, let alone peeled........but woman cannot live by just meat alone so I'll have me veg. and eat it (along with the meat and the gravy).

I still wont wear a fur coat though............cos I'm remembering an old saying "fur coat....no knickers" or was that "red hat...no knickers"??


Jac XX

Fur coat and no knickers..thats where the money came from...to buy the fur coat lol.

Marion

When I was a child in the 1960s my father was posted to the British Embassy in Moscow.
The Russian winters in those days (before modern fake furs and other thermal textiles) meant everyone wore furs.
My little sister had a pretty little blue fur coat to wear to school.

I was only there in boarding school holidays so I didn't get a coat but had to wear a fur lined jerkin under my school coat and numerous layers. I wasn't there in January and February when the temperature was really at its lowest.

I still own my Russian fur hat with ear flaps (I think it may be fox fur but I'm not sure). I inherited my mother's Beaver Lamb coat which bothered me until I discovered it was actually a form of sheepskin and nothing to do with beavers. I have worn that once only but felt like a rather dumpy teddy bear in it.

Modern sensibilities being what they are I am unlikely to wear real fur again though if we had a severe winter I might put on my hat........no wool hat is as warm and the fur is over 40 years old so no modern creature has suffered.

I eat meat and wear leather. I have some silk clothes and the silkworms are boiled alive.

It is a very emotive subject but we can't even have a dairy industry without calves being killed. I live in an area of the West Country full of dairy farms and a lot of people would be out of work if we all became veggies.

I try to buy ethically sourced things when I can.

Sue
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Oh Sue, I wish I hadn´t read that about the silk worms. I love silk but now I´ll never buy it again. I never knew that.

Chica x

my dear old Mum had always hankered after a mink jacket so my Dad bought one for her - she became so frail in the end she couldn't wear it cos it was too heavy so she gave it to me - it hung in my wardrobe for years and eventually I gave it to a charity shop

I respect That Sue M:-))

I could never have been a farmers wife, we would be very poorlol

I think as you say we all have our own levels of acceptance:-))

Silk worms are bred to be used for silk.
The cocoons have to be perfect. If a moth has emerged it makes a hole and a lot of threads are cut.

I think the Chinese eat the grub when it's unravelled. Waste not want not!

If we all decided not to use any animal products whatsoever an awful lot of people worldwide would have no livelihood any more.

Around where I live the fields are full of lambs in spring. There are no homes for OAP sheep.

My father eventually went into management for a meat packaging company. Old cows went in one end and came out as meat for pies etc at the other. Dairy farmers can't keep their milkers till they die of old age.

I love animals but realise that the whole landscape of Britain would change if we stopped eating meat. The only representatives of our farm animals would then be a few kept in zoos.

A difficult subject. Perhaps in hundreds of years time we'll all be eating realistic artificial meat.
But what sort of animals would there be in the countryside?

Sue
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Very Deep,Sue:-))

But surely if Animals arent bred for food,wouldnt nature take care of it?

Um.........carnivorous animals in the natural world show little sympathy for the prey they catch.

I think that so long as those responsible care for and respect the animals they farm then that is OK.

I would like all animals bred for meat to lead as good a life as possible and for their final moments to be quick and done to cause as little stress as possible.
If their skins can be used for leather then that is better than them going to waste.

I'm not happy about the idea of such places as mink farms though in areas where mink have escaped into the wild they are public enemy number 1.

Sue
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I could never be a farmer.
Lived on a farm when I was 6 for for 4 yrs. I used to feed the orphan lambs and put my hand in the calves mouths, as well as pleating the cows tails as they got milked.

I dont eat lamb or veal. Stopped eating beef before BSE.Seeing the piles of burning cattle finished me off.

I eat chicken but try not to think about it :((

Marion