Genealogy Chat

Deb , given that they are i the bossom of the family i wouldn't worry about it too much.There probably was a village ,now gone, in the area- it does say Warwickshire!

Yep i know , gonna have to go digging i think to see what Walton on the hill means (presumably a small village on top of a hill , from there I may be able to work out where they were as I do know all of us(past and present) were born in Warwickshire Lol , I just had a brainwave , hows about searching Walton on the HILL is it (RG12 FOR 1891) as CHARLES 10 and LEONARD 6(AS IN 1901) were born there , surely that would find them for the 1891 census wouldn't it or is that my brain running away with my thoughts again !? Debs

Jess I have just been looking through paperwork of the info I have so far on the SUTTONS I have a piece sayin ; CHARLES JOSEPH SUTTON born 11 sept 1891 in WESTON IN ARDEN , NR NUNEATON if that is any more help Debs LOL I just sussed why I was getting lost with Pilsburys , I was looking for new posts not a previous one updated (thought I was going mad as info that was not there before on the Suttons is now there , had to double check x 3 with the info you gave me earlier on the printout i done, thankfully i'm not losing the plot) Also I have found where WESTON IN ARDEN IS FOR FOR CHARLES and LEONARD births(which sounds right to me ) but on the RG13 census Pc 2900 fo.33 pg i (its in a place called BULKINGTON , WARWICKSHIRE) Yes that is the right ELLEN as is ALBERT ;-))

Hi Again Jess Are there any marriage /death records for (1) JOSEPH SUTTON born 1830 (2) JOHN H SUTTON born 1856 (think BETSY'S maiden was MILLER) (3) JOHN SUTTON born 1886 (married a SELINA HANDLEY , he died abt 1934) He was apparently a LAYPREACHER at UNION PLACE CHAPEL in Coventry ************************************************** Forgot this one from PILSBURY too Any marriage records for WILLIAM PILSBURY born 1886 , ETTINGSHALL , STAFFORDSHIRE , I know he too married SELINA (after 1934, probably about 1939) but he was apparently married once before SELINA , there were children born into this marriage , called HILDA , VIOLET ,KATHERINE,WILLIAM and MARGARET (most likely to be the STAFFORDSHIRE area) Cheers again Debs

Deb - trying to sort out your first Pilsbury marriage.- (i assume you mean the children were from his first marriage) This is probably the birth record for Violet Name: PILSBURY, Violet Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1904 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire Staffordshire Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 887 (click to see others on page . (*trying to establish when he married) Without knowing who he married and when it is very difficult! If Violet is a child from this first marriage, send for her birth cert and it will give you her mothers name and maiden name .......................................................... You can look the marriages up on free BMD

Yep Jess All kids listed were from his first marriage He only had 1 child in his second marriage and i know him as he is my nans brother (all the kids I said are now deceased apart from MARGARET and she is now a MOORE) Debs

Bob, cant search 1891 by address . Where were they born and when? Bad fri 13th?-i have a bad 'everyday' at the moment!

Ed, I can't see her...have you got those details from 1881 ?

samantha. There is one George W and 5 pages of just George... Name: George W Straughan Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Head Household:wife= Emily S,Daughters Margaret and Minnie Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle on Tyne Civil parish: Byker Ecclesiatical parish: St Michael Town: Newcastle upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address:42 Langhorn St Condition as to marriage:Married Occupation: Machine engineer Source information: RG13/4788 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Byker ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 193 Page: 33 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 220

Bob, she'd have only been 15 in 1891..married? I'm born blonde - What's your excuse??!! Baverstock, Frederick James 1897 June Marriages Portsea Island Hampshire >Clark, Edith Harriett 1897 June Marriages Portsea Island Hampshire Cronan, Ada 1897 June Marriages Portsea Island Hampshire >Spencer, Albert Edward 1897 June Marriages Portsea Island Hampshire 1901 Albert Spencer abt 1868 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Head Portsmouth Hampshire Edith Spencer abt 1876 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Wife Portsmouth Hampshire ............................................................................... 1891 tucked up with ma and Pa! Clark, Albert abt 1885 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Son Portsea Hampshire Clark, Arthur abt 1875 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Son Portsea Hampshire Clark, Charles abt 1847 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Head Portsea Hampshire Clark, Charles abt 1873 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Son Portsea Hampshire Clark, Edith abt 1876 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Daughter Portsea Hampshire Clark, Frank abt 1882 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Son Portsea Hampshire Clark, Harriet abt 1851 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Wife Portsea Hampshire Clark, Stanley abt 1877 Portsmouth, Hampshire / Hantshaving Son Portsea Hampshire

Cooeee Bob.... jess

Georgina, are they a family group? or individuals? Any idea where they are likely to be? How near/far are the c's? Jess This is the 1891 i presume; Unwin, Albert Ernest abt 1888 Limehouse, London Son Limehouse London Unwin, Geo Daniel abt 1871 Stepney, London Son Limehouse London Unwin, Grace Jane abt 1848 Falmer, Sussex Wife Limehouse London Unwin, Harry Jas abt 1874 Limehouse, London Son Limehouse London Unwin, Kate Maria Mary abt 1875 Limehouse, London Daughter Limehouse London Unwin, Thos abt 1835 Purleigh, Essex Head Limehouse London 1881 - mistranscribed i think George Unoben abt 1871 Middlesex, England Son 25 Halley St, Linchouse, London, England Grace Unoben abt 1848 Sussex, England Wife 25 Halley St, Linchouse, London, England Harry A. Unoben abt 1874 Middlesex, England Son 25 Halley St, Linchouse, London, England John H. Unoben abt 1869 Middlesex, England Son 25 Halley St, Linchouse, London, England Rose M. Unoben abt 1875 Middlesex, England Daughter 25 Halley St, Linchouse, London, England Thomas Unoben abt 1835 Essex, England Head 25 Halley St, Linchouse, London, England William T. Unoben abt 1867 Middlesex, England Son 25 Halley St, Linchouse, London, England Address: 25 Halley St Civil parish: Linchouse County/Island: London Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Lab Gas Works Source information: RG11/0466 Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 116 Page: 19 ................................................................................ 1871 Again mis-transcribed George D Maura 1870 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son Mile End Old Town London Grace J Maura 1848 Beighton, Sussex, England Wife Mile End Old Town London John H Maura 1869 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son Mile End Old Town London Thomas Maura 1835 Purleigh, Essex, England Head Mile End Old Town London Wm A Maura 1867 Prittlewell, Essex, England Son Mile End Old Town London Source information: RG10/567 Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 46 Folio: 4 Page: 2 Household schedule number: 8

Georgina- possible marriages Criteria 1870 +/- 5 years + guesswork ?? BROWN, John 1866 June Marriages Rochford Essex RUNACRES, Lavinia 1866 June Marriages Rochford Essex Unwin, Thomas 1866 June Marriages Rochford Essex Worsfield, Grace J 1866 June Marriages Rochford Essex

Georgina Probably kate's birth Name: Unwin, Kate Maria Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1874 District: Stepney County: Greater London London Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 492

Jess Any possibility that you could do a 1861 census look up for my alien. He is driving me mad. Name: William Rickward (sometimes Rickword) Born: 1803 so would be 57/58 Birth Place: Shropshire (on the 1851 he said Wistons as the village/town) Census Place: Wednesbury, Staffordshire. Married to Sarah (also born in Shropshire) Could have daughter living with them Betsy Thats all I have on them Thank you Pat

GRRRR !!!!!! (dont know if it's me or me just not searching correctly - either way it has to be and my luck) Jess can u see on BMD a marriage between JOHN SUTTON (BORN 1886)and SELINA HANDLEY (BORN 1900) would be either WARWICKSHIRE OR NORTHAMTONSHIRE , POSS STAFFORDSHIRE I would assume it would have been between 1917 (Selina aged 17 , the average age of the female marrying and 1921 when the first child was born (IVY SUTTON born 6 july 1921) ) I assume this as John was a lay preacher and I would have thought it to be against his beliefs to have a child out of marriage. Would you have any idea where I may find out info on him being a lay preacher (UNION PLACE CHAPEL COVENTRY) Debs

Thankyou for the offer Jess. 1861 census. HENRY GOODWIN bc1800 Denby, Derbyshire JANE (wife) and their son, below: LUKE GOODWIN b1826 Denby, Derbyshire. ABIGAIL GOODWIN (wife-nee Abbott) b1826, Codnor, Derbyshire. Kind regards,Vanda.

Hello Jess, Could you please try and find a marriage: JAMES ASHBY b1833/34 Yalding, Kent. married: ELLEN STONE OR BROMLEY (may have used christian name of HARRIET, which could be her middle name) married around 1855 in Kent. (Possibly Maidstone) Thankyou very much, Vanda.

Hi Jess , am wondering if you can do a look up in the 1861 london or middlesex census I'm looking for a George Hurley (my gg grandfather) b c.Dec 1843 Mile End Newton (or Chelsea)Middlesex England in the 1871 census he's listed as married(1864 i think) aged 27 railway clerk b. middlesex ,shoreditch Im hoping he maybe still living at home as i don't have any info on his parents thank you kind regards steve

Steven- lots of Ann jones for that year Wales - caernarvonshire takes it down to 7 pages- conway returns nothing.parents/Siblings? jess