Genealogy Chat

My g.gfather Moses Skingle was either born or baptised on 3rd January 1841 and, I am told, was a twin. I have found him on 1861 census (age 20) and his marriage on 20th April 1861 to Harriet Baker at the Holy Trinity Church in Takeley, Essex. I have also found him (aged 40) on 1881 census with wife Harriet and 5 children Eliza 12 yrs/Moses 10 yrs/Frederick 11 yrs/Eva E. 5 years/Jane 2 yrs. Frederick is my grandfather. I have located Fredericks references and sent off for his birth certificate. I want to order Moses' birth and marriage certs but can't seem to locate his birth/marriage with the appropriate reference numbers. I think this all adds up! Dont know where I am going wrong with this one! Can any of you detectives out there point me in the right direction? Thank you! Josie

not alot of help , but probably Eva's : SKINGLE, Eva Emily Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1876 District: Dunmow County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 440 Not all births around that time were registered. maybe an appeal for an 1851 census look up would help

Josie Seeing as you know his date of marriage, why don't you ring the local records office to where the marriage was registered and order it from them. You only need to supply the QE in which it was registered and the spouses names, no reference numbers are needed. You could try asking them about the birth record too. They can only say no! Good luck Rachel

Josie Where has your information for Moses bp and marriage come from? If you have seen the marriage entry in parish records, you do not need a certificate. If you have date and church only, see if the record office will send you a copy of the original entry. This may have original signatures, whereas the copy you can obtain from the GRO is just that - a copy. If you can't find Moses in the GRO indexes, it may be that his birth was not registered.

btw - saw this ... SKINGLE, Moses 1871 March Births Dunmow Essex Skingle, Moses 1872 September Deaths Dunmow Essex strange - until I saw that the 1872 death was for a 71 year old ....

Josie Not quite clear if it is young Moses or old Moses you are interested in. This seems to be young Moses: SKINGLE, Moses Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1871 District: Dunmow County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 402 Tina

Hi Jess, Sorry for delay, was busy reading Sams thread about her bil! Thanks for Eva Emily info. I must admit I thought that at that time all births had to be registered. Josie

Hi Rachel, Thanks your help, what is the QE?? Sorry, bit new to this, have been watching the boards for a few weeks but havent noticed this abbreviation. Will local records offices provide certs if you know dates then? I read in a research book that they are very busy places etc and may not help. I have just used the GRO for ordering so far. Thanks again Josie

Hi Sarah, Thank you so much for that ref. Where did you find it please? I need all the help I can get, have picked up loads of sites watching these boards and get muddled where I'm looking for what! Josie

I would think in 1837Online - its not on FreeBMD.

Hi Pink Tabitha, I got the marriage entry from an excel spreadsheet that has been collated by someone (I think the rector????) of the church where the marriage took place (in the village where I went to school and where Moses was born) I found it on a local history website. Again, as answered to Jess, I thought it was compulsory to register births then?? When did it become compulsory? Thanks your help. Josie

1871 Moses .. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County ---------------------------------------------------------- Eliza Pringle abt 1869 Takeley, Essex, England Daughter Takeley Essex Harriett Pringle abt 1842 Broxted, Essex, England Wife Takeley Essex Jerimiah Pringle abt 1866 Takeley, Essex, England Son Takeley Essex Mary Pringle abt 1864 St Canfield, Essex, England Daughter Takeley Essex +->Moses Pringle abt 1841 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex Moses Pringle abt 1871 Takeley, Essex, England Son Takeley Essex William Pringle abt 1862 Takeley, Essex, England Son Takeley Essex 1891.. Shingle, Harriett abt 1848 Broxted, Essex Wife Takeley Essex Shingle, Jane abt 1880 Little Canfield, Essex Daughter Takeley Essex Shingle, Jesse abt 1883 Takeley, Essex Son Takeley Essex Shingle, Mary abt 1864 Little Canfield, Essex Daughter Takeley Essex Shingle, Moses abt 1842 Takeley, Essex Head Takeley Essex 1901 .. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County ---------------------------------------------------------- Harriet Skingle abt 1842 Broxted, Essex, England Wife Takeley Essex Mary Skingle abt 1864 Takeley, Essex, England Daughter Takeley Essex Moses Skingle abt 1841 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex

from memory I think fines could be levied from the early 1870s ....

You were always SUPPOSED to register a birth. BUT to start with, you were fined if you registered a birth late, but not pursued if you didn't register at all. It was only in 1875, following a scandal in which a registrar INVENTED entries in order to bump up his fees, that you were fined for non-registration. Lots of people in the 1840s thought that baptism was sufficient, so didn't bother to register the birth.

Hello Necromancer, The Moses (Walter) in 1871 is my grandfathers brother, but I dont think that the death in September 1872 is his as I have him marrying in 1892..... unless Ive got my wires crossed somewhere! Will have to check that one out. Thanks for your help Josie

Hello Tina (cheshire purple cat - I think) Sorry for delayed response. I have to keep printing the thread to see who I need to answer next. I wish I could see the responses as I am trying to reply!! It is the old Moses I am interested in? But thank you for the info on young Moses, my grandfathers brother. I am just tryin to get full info & certs on the direct ones at the moment but will expand when I get into this so it will be 'kept on file'. Thanks for help Josie

Ah - if you are printing this thread you wont have seen that I updated my post to reflect that the Moses who died in 1872 was a 71 year old. Nice mistran's in 1871 census you notice ? !

Hi Necromancer, You would have thought I would have tried at least Shingle if not Pringle after all Ive read on these boards. Sometimes things just dont sink in, there is so much to learn about this new hobby of mine!! Thank you Josie

Josie - tip: when in doubt leave the surname out and search by forename, pob and dob +/- 2 years or more ... use a wildcard in the pob if necessary ...

So, yet another Moses born about 1801. I think my Moses father was named William, which I hope to confirm when I get marriage cert, maybe this Moses was Williams brother....... I know the name Moses was only dropped by my Grandmother - all of her children had middle names except one, she left the middle name out when her last son was registered as my grandfather had insisted it be Moses and she wasnt having any of it! Thanks again Necromancer - another to go in my file, not too many Skingles about in the Takeley area, must all be related somewhere along the line....