Genealogy Chat

Josie So sorry for the delay but I decided it was time for bed, can't sleep so back on here again! QE stands for Quarter Ended, all births, deaths & marriages are registered in quarters QE March is Jan-March, QE June is April-June, etc, etc. Some local offices can be really helpful if you get in touch with them, some can be very unhelpful it's just ther luck of the draw. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/RegOffice/ that gives you details of the different register offices in England and Wales. Good luck! Rachel

Hi Necromancer, Wow, thanks for all those, I've got some sorting out to do now!! Hatfield Broad Oak just up the road from Takeley so guess they are all going to be connected somewhere. The didn't move around so much in those days did they. Josie

1861 census - picking a few older ones .. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County --------------------------------------------------------------- Angelina Skingle abt 1819 Dovercourt, Essex, England Wife All Hallows the Great Middlesex Ann Skingle abt 1812 Great Dunmow, Essex, England Great Canfield Essex Betsey Skingle abt 1807 Nettleswell, Essex, England Wife Epping Essex Elizabeth Skingle abt 1804 Gt Hallinbury, Essex, England Servant Hatfield Broad Oak Essex I Mary Skingle abt 1802 Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex, England Wife Hatfield Broad Oak Essex Jane Skingle abt 1786 Stebbing, Essex, England Head Felsted Essex John Skingle abt 1795 Gt Dunmow, Essex, England Brother Hatfield Broad Oak Essex John Skingle abt 1815 Harlow, Essex, England Head All Hallows the Great Middlesex Jonah Skingle abt 1810 G Dunmow, Essex, England Head Great Dunmow Essex Louisa Skingle abt 1811 G Canfield, Essex, England Wife Great Dunmow Essex Mary Skingle abt 1812 G Dunmow, Essex, England Sister Great Dunmow Essex Moses Skingle abt 1804 Dunmow, Essex, England Head Hatfield Broad Oak Essex Robert Skingle abt 1802 Latton, Essex, England Head Epping Essex Thomas Skingle abt 1815 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex William Skingle abt 1807 Gt Dunmow, Essex, England Head Hatfield Broad Oak Essex

1881 census - they are spreading out from Essex (this is just a sample of those born 1800-1830) Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence ---------------------------------------------------------- Angeline Skingle abt 1818 Dovers Court, Essex, England Mother 114 Holland Rd, Lambeth, London, England Isaac Skingle abt 1822 Gt Dunmow, Essex, England Head High Street, Great Dunmow, Essex, England John Skingle abt 1828 Hatfield, Essex, England Patient 'Melville Hospital', Chatham, Kent, England Jonah Skingle abt 1810 Dunbar, Essex, England Head Farm House, Stadhampton, Oxfordshire, England Maria Skingle abt 1812 Willingale, Essex, England Head Caudderoys Cotts No 3, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England Mary Skingle abt 1809 Takeley, Essex, England Head Bambers Green, Takeley, Essex, England Matilda Skingle abt 1821 Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex, England Head Dunmow Road, Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex, England Sarah Skingle abt 1813 Little Canval, Essex, England Head The Wharf, Springfield, Essex, England Stephen Skingle abt 1807 Gt Dunmow, Essex, England Head North Street Star Hill, Great Dunmow, Essex, England Thomas Skingle abt 1816 Takeley, Essex, England Head Bambers Green, Takeley, Essex, England

This is the Moses that died in 1872 .. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County Adam Skingle abt 1847 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Son Hatfield Broad Oak Essex David Skingle abt 1855 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Son Hatfield Broad Oak Essex Eve Skingle abt 1858 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Daughter Hatfield Broad Oak Essex James Skingle abt 1853 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Son Hatfield Broad Oak Essex John Skingle abt 1860 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Son Hatfield Broad Oak Essex Martha Skingle abt 1856 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Daughter Hatfield Broad Oak Essex Mary Ann Skingle abt 1849 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Daughter Hatfield Broad Oak Essex Matilda Skingle abt 1821 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Wife Hatfield Broad Oak Essex +->Moses Skingle abt 1804 Dunmow, Essex, England Head Hatfield Broad Oak Essex Moses Skingle abt 1845 Hatfield Brod Oak, Essex, England Son Hatfield Broad Oak Essex

more of your lot mistransed ? Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County Mary Pringle abt 1804 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex Moses Pringle abt 1841 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex Thomas Pringle abt 1816 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex Thomas Pringle abt 1835 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex and/or flown the nest ? Jeremiah Skingle abt 1840 Takeley, Essex, England Head West Ham Essex

Thanks to all who have been so helpful with this! Best Regards Josie

Wildcard character is either an * - which substitutes for mulitple letters, or a ? which is for only 1 letter. The nuisance is that they must be preceded by at least 3 characters, so you cant do *ingle - which would have picked up your spellings in 1871 etc. Its handy for names and placenames if you think there might be an incorrect transcription. Its also a useful shorthand for long names like Birmingham If you werent sure how Jonathan was being spelled - use Jon* - that picks up JonathOn and JonathAn for eg. Placenames are just as prone to being mistranscribed as person names .... hope this helps - there's help online in Ancestry for this stuff too ...

Necromancer -Thanks for the tip. I thought I had to put surname in as the minimum. What do you mean wildcard?? brgds Josie

So, yet another Moses born about 1801. I think my Moses father was named William, which I hope to confirm when I get marriage cert, maybe this Moses was Williams brother....... I know the name Moses was only dropped by my Grandmother - all of her children had middle names except one, she left the middle name out when her last son was registered as my grandfather had insisted it be Moses and she wasnt having any of it! Thanks again Necromancer - another to go in my file, not too many Skingles about in the Takeley area, must all be related somewhere along the line....

Josie - tip: when in doubt leave the surname out and search by forename, pob and dob +/- 2 years or more ... use a wildcard in the pob if necessary ...

Hi Necromancer, You would have thought I would have tried at least Shingle if not Pringle after all Ive read on these boards. Sometimes things just dont sink in, there is so much to learn about this new hobby of mine!! Thank you Josie

Ah - if you are printing this thread you wont have seen that I updated my post to reflect that the Moses who died in 1872 was a 71 year old. Nice mistran's in 1871 census you notice ? !

Hello Tina (cheshire purple cat - I think) Sorry for delayed response. I have to keep printing the thread to see who I need to answer next. I wish I could see the responses as I am trying to reply!! It is the old Moses I am interested in? But thank you for the info on young Moses, my grandfathers brother. I am just tryin to get full info & certs on the direct ones at the moment but will expand when I get into this so it will be 'kept on file'. Thanks for help Josie

Hello Necromancer, The Moses (Walter) in 1871 is my grandfathers brother, but I dont think that the death in September 1872 is his as I have him marrying in 1892..... unless Ive got my wires crossed somewhere! Will have to check that one out. Thanks for your help Josie

You were always SUPPOSED to register a birth. BUT to start with, you were fined if you registered a birth late, but not pursued if you didn't register at all. It was only in 1875, following a scandal in which a registrar INVENTED entries in order to bump up his fees, that you were fined for non-registration. Lots of people in the 1840s thought that baptism was sufficient, so didn't bother to register the birth.

from memory I think fines could be levied from the early 1870s ....

1871 Moses .. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County ---------------------------------------------------------- Eliza Pringle abt 1869 Takeley, Essex, England Daughter Takeley Essex Harriett Pringle abt 1842 Broxted, Essex, England Wife Takeley Essex Jerimiah Pringle abt 1866 Takeley, Essex, England Son Takeley Essex Mary Pringle abt 1864 St Canfield, Essex, England Daughter Takeley Essex +->Moses Pringle abt 1841 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex Moses Pringle abt 1871 Takeley, Essex, England Son Takeley Essex William Pringle abt 1862 Takeley, Essex, England Son Takeley Essex 1891.. Shingle, Harriett abt 1848 Broxted, Essex Wife Takeley Essex Shingle, Jane abt 1880 Little Canfield, Essex Daughter Takeley Essex Shingle, Jesse abt 1883 Takeley, Essex Son Takeley Essex Shingle, Mary abt 1864 Little Canfield, Essex Daughter Takeley Essex Shingle, Moses abt 1842 Takeley, Essex Head Takeley Essex 1901 .. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County ---------------------------------------------------------- Harriet Skingle abt 1842 Broxted, Essex, England Wife Takeley Essex Mary Skingle abt 1864 Takeley, Essex, England Daughter Takeley Essex Moses Skingle abt 1841 Takeley, Essex, England Head Takeley Essex

Hi Pink Tabitha, I got the marriage entry from an excel spreadsheet that has been collated by someone (I think the rector????) of the church where the marriage took place (in the village where I went to school and where Moses was born) I found it on a local history website. Again, as answered to Jess, I thought it was compulsory to register births then?? When did it become compulsory? Thanks your help. Josie

I would think in 1837Online - its not on FreeBMD.