Genealogy Chat

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They say a problem shared is a problem halved - so here's your half! Fact - from Parish Register information (extracted by me personally) I have: Samuel Green (born before 1821, from his childrens ages) married(?) to Maria.(No marriage found in this PR) They have the following children baptised at St James, Gawsworth: 22 Mar 1835 Noah Rathbone Green 12 Feb 1837 Abel Green 26 May 1839 Eliza 10 July 1842 Ann 24 Nov 1848 Rhoda All give Samuel's occupation as Labourer. I have found Noel Rathbone Green on 1881, married, with a raft of kids. I have a bap of Alfred Clement(s) Green on 7 Nov 1858, to Abel and Mary Green. Abel is a joiner, of Macclesfield (as is his brother Noah) No Abel on 1881, but Alfred C. Green, his wife and child are now lodgers in Bury, Lancs. Rhoda is married on 1881. Fact: I find, on 1881, Samuel Green, born 1815, Gawsworth, a retired MASTER MASON. In his household are Alfred b 1847, Elinor, 1856, and Clementine N. b.1862. How likely is it that Samuel went from Labourer to Master Mason? Not very likely, thinks I. But - the Clement(s) and Clementine clue - if there are TWO Samuels here, they cannot be brothers (could be cousins, I suppose).And the children fit nicely into the gaps in Samuel and Maria's brood! Or did Samuel LIE on the census, to impress everyone? Im going to watch Corrie and water the garden but will be back about 10, when you will all have had time to think about this!!! Fuddled Olde Crone

Jess and I don't do lookups for anything with the word Rathbone in it lol - do we Jess?? Sarah PS - Might just read your message again though.......

I shook in my boots when I saw Rathbone. especially Samuel Rathbone! What is it with Rathbone -I remeber now- ignore it because its just added to make you look important?

Not sure if I've absorbed all that, but here is Rhoda and her mum and dad in 1861. Samuel is a Sawyer and they are living at Beamon's Cottage, Galsworth, Cheshire. Note Samuel is from Derbyshire!! Maria Green abt 1813 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Wife Gawsworth Cheshire Rhoda Green abt 1849 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Daughter Gawsworth Cheshire Samuel Green abt 1814 Derbyshire, England Head Gawsworth Cheshire Sarah

...and in 1871 he is a bit more specific: Maria Green abt 1813 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Wife Gawsworth Cheshire Samuel Green abt 1814 Baslow, Derbyshire, England Head Gawsworth Cheshire This time he is a Domestic Gardener and I can't read the address.... something Cottage (not the same as last time...) Sarah

ABEL 1861 Abel Green abt 1838 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Head Macclesfield Cheshire Alfred Clemont Green abt 1859 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Son Macclesfield Cheshire Christopher Green abt 1860 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Son Macclesfield Cheshire Mary Green abt 1838 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Wife Macclesfield Cheshire Elizabeth Rathbone abt 1803 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Aunt Macclesfield Cheshire <<<<aaarrrgggghhhh BLOODY RATHBONE! aBEL IS A JOINER AT 43 NEWTON ST Macclesfield ---------------------------------------------------------------- Abel 1871 Abel Green abt 1837 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Head Bury Lancashire Alford Clement Green abt 1860 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Son Bury Lancashire Christopher Green abt 1860 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Son Bury Lancashire Florence Green abt 1862 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Daughter Bury Lancashire Mary Green abt 1838 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Wife Bury Lancashire Percy Green abt 1867 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Bury Lancashire Still a Joined but stated he's unemployed living in 9 Back Garden St

1881 Gardener again - new place of birth (near the other one though - three miles distant). Aaaagggghhhhhhhhh A RATHBONE - may have to leave now!! Maria Green abt 1813 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Wife Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Samuel Green abt 1814 Bakewell, Derbyshire, England Head Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Elizabeth Rathbone abt 1803 Gawsworth, Cheshire, England Sister Gawsworth, Cheshire, Sarah

That rathbone woman was lurking with Abel & brood in 61

B****y Elizabeth Rathbone - maiden aunt (should think she's Maria's sister) - No one wants a Rathbone!! lol Jess, is Olde Crone a relation of.........!!?? Sarah

NOOOOOooooo...actually she could be......Shall we arrange it? ------------------------------------------------ 1881 Alf, Abels son & his Mrs and HER sister Isabella Downham abt 1862 Bury, Lancashire, England Boarder 21 Salford St, Bury, Lancashire, England Alfred C. Green abt 1858 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Brother in Law 21 Salford St, Bury, Lancashire, England Ann Green abt 1853 Bury, Lancashire, England Sister 21 Salford St, Bury, Lancashire, England Alice Maria Lowe abt 1843 Bury, Lancashire, England Head 21 Salford St, Bury, Lancashire, England

Ooh! IGI (dodgy - entry from am LDS member, but even so....) MARIA RATHBONE Marriages: Spouse: SAMUEL GREEN Marriage: 12 AUG 1833 Prestbury, Cheshire, England Messages: Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. Sarah

Olde C must have a large garden if it's taking until 10 to water it???? Hope Corrie was good? Some of us don't have time to watch it!! lol Sarah - PS and YES to your earlier suggestion lol (pmsl)

another of Abels sons...1881 calling himself CHRIST!! Esther A. Chadwick abt 1846 Bury, Lancashire, England Wife 31 Windham St, Bury, Lancashire, England Joseph Chadwick abt 1843 Elton, Lancashire, England Head 31 Windham St, Bury, Lancashire, England Christ. Green abt 1860 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Boarder 31 Windham St, Bury, Lancashire, England Minnie Hopkinson abt 1879 Bury, Lancashire, England Boarder 31 Windham St, Bury, Lancashire, England Thomas Kelly abt 1844 Queens Co, Ireland Boarder 31 Windham St, Bury, Lancashire, England Only Marj could have a rellie called Christ!

Ooh, thankyou everyone ....looks like its two diff Samuels - with a Clementine connection somewhere in the past. They did go in for some fanciful names, given their humble origins - Noah Rathbone, Rhoda, Lydia etc. Don't know what youve got against Rathbones though, it was like a shaft of sunlight - personally if I see another Mary Green I shall SCREEEEEAM. I have done a sketch tree for this lot and it goes back to my 6 x GGPS (needs verifying) Thomas and Mary Green, whose son Thomas Green married Mary, whose son Thomas Green married Mary etc - 5 generations of GGPs called Thomas and Mary Green! Thankyou everyone. Back to my PR scratching tomorrow. Olde Crone

That was coz he stubbed his toe at the Christening!! Sarah

What do you mean watch corrie? i'm going to, stuff Rathbone and people that call themselves Christ!

Shall we tell Auntie Marg what it is we have against Rathbones..... NOOOooooo!

Jess, I expect OC is related to whoever the famous Rathbones were that everyone else copied to appear pretentious! Olde Crone - When you do your Catherine Cookson novel, I think your pseudonym should be ''Marjorie Rathbone'' - sounds good! Sarah

Found Abel 1881 , we'll i haven't but his wife and percy Mary Green abt 1838 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Head 2 Trimble Court, Bury, Lancashire, England Percy Green abt 1866 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son 2 Trimble Court, Bury, Lancashire, England Abel appears to have shuffled off to his box Mary is a Quilter