Genealogy Chat

William Arthur Marshall was the 6th Cheif Constable of either Salford or Manchester and my Gran Olga Hewertson grandaughter of Mathew Marshall Hewertson and Martha Hewertson nee Hulme, always talked about him. Im not quite sure where he came into the equasion but she said he was some sort of grandparent or great grandparent.

im not saying it the right paul farrand- just that i might be! its the only one i can see, will look again for you- 1901 Paul is married - his WIFE is ELIZABETH, HIs mother in census before is ISABELLE ( they dont have any children in 1901 that i can see) Elizabeth Farrand abt 1871 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife South Manchester Lancashire Paul Farrand abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head South Manchester Lancashire Annie Jones abt 1886 Llanrug, Wales Servant South Manchester Lancashire Ellen Jones abt 1882 Llanrug, Wales Servant St South Manchester Lancashire Paul is a fruit merchant address 177 Plymouth Grove ---------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage seems right , even if in a location that i find Odd Brown, Elizabeth 1894 June Marriages Peterborough Cambridgeshire Huntingdonshire Lincolnshire Northamptonshire Farrand, Paul 1894 June Marriages Peterborough Cambridgeshire Huntingdonshire Lincolnshire Northamptonshire ------------------------------------------ 1891 brings in more of the names you mentioned Farrand, Albert E abt 1867 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Edward abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Elizabeth abt 1813 Draughton, Yorkshire, England Mother Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Eva abt 1869 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Isabel abt 1885 Urmston, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Isabella abt 1844 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Lilly abt 1872 Davyhulme, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Louis abt 1881 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Paul abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Sarah E abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Urmston Lancashire Farrand, Sydney abt 1876 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son Urmston Lancashire his father is a fruit merchant address Crofts bank Rd -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1881 Clara Edmundson Farrand abt 1866 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Farrand abt 1814 Skipton, Yorkshire, England Mother 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England < heads mother (edward 1845) Eva Farrand abt 1869 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England sabella Edmundson Farrand abt 1844 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Lilly Farrand abt 1872 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Louis Farrand abt 1880 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Paul Farrand abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Sarah Elizabeth Farrand abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Sidney Farrand abt 1876 Urmston, Lancashire, England Son 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Ellen Horne abt 1826 Keighley, Yorkshire, England Visitor 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston, Lancashire, England Sarah Jane Wood Swindells abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Servant 3 Stanley Villa Crofts Bank Road, Urmston edward was a fruit merchant ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1871 Margaret Denson abt 1850 Manchester, Lancashire, England Servant Manchester Lancashire Albert Ed Farrand abt 1868 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Manchester Lancashire Clara E Farrand abt 1866 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head Manchester Lancashire Eva Farrand abt 1869 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire Isabella Farrand abt 1844 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Manchester Lancashire Paul Farrand abt 1870 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Manchester Lancashire Sarah E Farrand abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire Alice Foulds abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Nurse Manchester Lancashire address Hard to read Judill St?? occupation Fruit salesman ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1861 before Edward married at home with his parents & siblings Alfred Farrand abt 1848 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire Elizabeth Farrand abt 1813 Draughton Skipton, Yorkshire, England Wife Bradford Yorkshire Elsher Farrand abt 1849 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire Henry Farrand abt 1817 Aldermondbury, Yorkshire, England Head Bradford Yorkshire Maria E O Farrand abt 1858 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Bradford Yorkshire address 6 snow hill Occupation of his father - fruit and potato dealer ----------------------------------------------------- 1851

Yes it is the right one, you are a star, you have found Edwards Mother for me-Elizabeth born 1813 as I had hit a brick wall with this one, thatnk you, thank you, thank you!!

Thanks for your pm. Most of the information that has been given to you has come from Ancestry - from census lookups. If you are new to this I would highly recommend you ask for an Ancestry subscription for a Christmas present - personally I dont think you can manage without it. Right so we have Matthew Hewertson bc1847 married to Martha b 1851 children Sarah bc1875 Charles bc1880 Ernest b c1884 Arthur b c1887 Frederick bc1873 John William b c1871 Matthew b 1878 Now you want to find the parents of Matthew and Martha. The safest way of doing this is to order certificates. A marriage certificate will show the address for the couple when they married, age at marriage, fathers names and occupations, place of marriage and names of witnesses. Birth certificates will show the date and place of birth, fathers name and occupation, mothers name (and maiden name) You can then start to trace them back in the census (on Ancestry) You can see that I posted a reply concerning the possible parents of Matthew - taken from the 1851 census. Birth certificates can be ordered from the GRO at 7 pound a time but you do need to know the GRO reference no. These can sometimes be found on BMD - website http://freebmd(.)rootsweb(.)com/ - remove brackets - or on the ancestry web site. If you can´t find them yourself then post a message on the boards - someone will always give you a hand to look them up. One thing you must always bear in mind is that don´t go back a generation until you are really sure you have the right person/people. It´s very easy to presume that you may have the right ancestor - take for example the message I posted for you re Martha Hulme. I thought I may have found her on the 1861 census, with parents Mary and Oliver. I then found another entry on the IGI with parents Samuel and Hannah - this one looks more likely as she was born in Knutsford, which ties in with the later censuses (or is it censi ?) By getting Martha´s marriage certificate to Matthew you will find out the name of her father. Don´t be afraid to post messages on the boards - there are so many helpful people out there who are only willing to help and advise. Good luck with your research. Elaine

Sorry forgot to add this - This could be your marriage of Matthew to Martha Hewartson, Matthew Marshall 1869 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Hulme, Martha 1869 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Hewartson, Matthew Marshall Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1869 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 386

Thanks for getting me started, I have found my way to the familysearch.org site and seem to be moving forward albeit slowly!! I really do appreciate all the help. Think I'll get that subscription!

have taken Farrand back as far as i can on other reply 1861 and 1852 to follow 1861 View Record Alfred Farrand abt 1848 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire View Record Edward Farrand abt 1845 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Bradford Yorkshire View Record Elizabeth Farrand abt 1813 Draughton Skipton, Yorkshire, England Wife Bradford Yorkshire View Record Elsher Farrand abt 1849 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire View Record Henry Farrand abt 1817 Aldermondbury, Yorkshire, England Head Bradford Yorkshire View Record Maria E O Farrand abt 1858 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Bradford Yorkshire His father was a potato & fuit merchant address snow hill -------------------------------------------------------- 1851 Not sure so wont post it! Two henry farrands , both born Almondbury around the right time! Various other farrand s born Almondbury for you to investigate!!

Have found Henry Farrand born 1817 in yorkshire married to Elizabeth Farrand born 1813, children alfred, edward and elsher but there is a grandaughter on there as well, Maria E Farrand, who does she belong to?

Just for the record: Judill St (1871) is almost certainly SUDILL St - I have ancestors living there in 1861. Olde Crone