Genealogy Chat

Karen, those Gardeners~ geographically where?

Everything is round Northampton way. However it says the children were born Cleveland in Yorkshire, but living in Northampton in 1881. So possibly have a look to see if they later moved back to Northampton.

Don here he is Ann Herne abt 1847 Eversley, Hampshire, England Daughter Eversley Hampshire Elizabeth Herne abt 1809 Finchamstead, Berkshire, England Wife Eversley Hampshire James Herne abt 1809 Bex, Finchamstead Head Eversley Hampshire James Herne abt 1840 Eversley, Hampshire, England Son Eversley Hampshire Margarett Herne abt 1788 Nollybarne, Hampshire, England Visitor Eversley Hampshire Thomas Herne abt 1844 Eversley, Hampshire, England Son Eversley Hampshire William Herne abt 1843 Finchamstead, Berkshire, England Son Eversley Hampshire Source information: HO107/1680 Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Odiham folio 316 p 31

Thanks for that Jess Brilliant Don.

Karen ~ the 1881 for ref Albert Gardner abt 1874 Skelton Cleveland, Yorkshire, England Son Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Gardner abt 1863 Skelton Cleveland, Yorkshire, England Daughter Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England George Gardner abt 1837 Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Head Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England George Gardner abt 1860 Northamptonshire, England Son Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England James H. Gardner abt 1877 Skelton Cleveland, Yorkshire, England Son Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Jane Gardner abt 1843 Northamptonshire, England Wife Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Mary A. Gardner abt 1871 Skelton Cleveland, Yorkshire, England Daughter Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Sarah J. Gardner abt 1868 Skelton Cleveland, Yorkshire, England Daughter Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Henry Wyatt abt 1824 Northamptonshire, England Lodger Semilong, Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England point of interest: they appear to be living next to st pauls school ~ it was burned down this week!! ===================================== ~~1871~~ Elizabeth Gardener abt 1863 Skelton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Skelton Yorkshire George Gardener abt 1837 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Head Skelton Yorkshire George Gardener abt 1860 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Son Skelton Yorkshire Jane Gardener abt 1842 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Wife Skelton Yorkshire Mary A Gardener abt 1870 Skelton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Skelton Yorkshire Sarah Gardener abt 1867 Skelton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Skelton Yorkshire Frederick Parish abt 1841 Stokeferry, Norfolk, England Lodger Skelton Yorkshire address is just main st he is a iron stone miner (was a brickmaker in 1881) Source information: RG10/4853 Registration district: Guisborough Sub-registration district: Marske folio 41 P 30 =========================== ~~1861~~ thought they would be in Nhants but no! George Gardiner abt 1837 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Head Skelton Yorkshire George Gardiner abt 1860 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Son Skelton Yorkshire Jane Gardiner abt 1842 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Wife Skelton Yorkshire household 51 , no road name , a brickmaker again. Source information: RG9/3652 Registration district: Guisbrough Sub-registration district: Marske folio 79 p 10

Is Semilong on the outskirts, or near the centre?

karen, centre, kingsthorpe would have been on the outskirts then ( not now!!) blast ! cant find him in 1851 ~ which is irritating there are Gardners in kingthorpe but cant see George ??GARDNER, George 1859 December Births Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire ??GARDNER, George 1860 December Births Northampton (1837-1924) Northamptonshire in the 1861 census george jnr was said to be one, so registered dec 1859 not unreasonable. might be worth sending for, fathers name george as a checking point, would give you janes maiden name too ( cant spot the marriage)

So they must have moved pretty quick after George was born. I agree it's irritating not to be able to find him in 1851, I was really hoping I could prove he was the brother. I was hoping he was the son of James and Elizabeth. Then I can prove the link of Henry Wyatt - I have an Elizabeth, who had a brother George, who married Charles Wyatt - who just so happenend to have a brother Henry.

Hi Jess, Thanks for checking the 1891 census for me and also taking the trouble to check the 1881. Its frustrating; I recognize every other place on the census page except *Woothen* Kind regards Kathleen

********************************************* Karen ~ don worry about it , i quite like them when they are local~ kind of makes the picture more vivid (for me anyway!!) Not sure as i follow you last piece of logic though..... Shame the IGI is so C**p for northamptonshire!

Well I started out with the Wyatt's. Found out Charles Wyatt married an Elizabeth Gardner. Then discovered that Charles had a brother Henry. Thought, have a look at 1881, and there's a Henry lodging with a family of Gardner's. So I thought if I could take it back to 1851 then maybe I could see George Gardner living with his sister Elizabeth. Chase them back down and prove out that Henry was a brother-in-law or something and staying with them. I'm afraid my logic is never straight forward, it goes off on tangents.

jess thanks very much thats a great help kelly

Would it be worth tracking down the other children's birth ref? It may be easier. I found all the birth ref's for the other children. Reg district Guisborough, so fits.

***************************************** karen 1 Name: Gardener, Mary Ann Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1870 District: Guisborough County: North Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9d Page: 458 2 Name: GARDENER, Albert Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1873 District: Guisborough County: North Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9d Page: 457 (click to see others on page Guisborough Created 1st July 1837. Originally called Guisbrough. Sub-districts : Danby; Guisborough (Guisbrough); Kirk Leatham; Lofthouse (Loftus); Marske, Skelton. GRO volumes : XXIV (1837-51); 9d (1852-1930). Brotton, Coatham, Commondale, Danby, Easington, Eston (1837-75), Guisborough, Hutton Lowcross, Kilton, Kirk Leatham, Liverton, Lofthouse, Marske, Mooresholm cum Girrick, Morton, Newton in Cleveland, Normanby (1837-75), Ormesby (1837-75), Pinchingthorpe, Redcar, >>Skelton,<< Skiningrove, Stanghow, Tocketts, Upleatham, Upsall, Westerdale, Wilton.

Thanks for looking anyway Jess Sarah Australia

Hi Jess, if you could please help with look up with 1901 for Annie Elisabeth Gibbs born 18/04/1900 in Birmingham I believe. She had a sister Mary who may be older than her. Maybe a fresh pair of eyes will be able to see something i can't. Thanks Nicky

Hello Jess I wonder if you can help with the following: 1891 Census I am looking for a Maud(e) Bennett (born 1880/81 or 1883/4) most likely in the Manchester or surrounding areas. I am trying to match her up with her father James Bennett who was a hairdresser we think in the Manchester area, but have no idea of his DOB. I can't find a match on the 1901 census, so am hoping 1891 might provide a clue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Catherine

Hello Jess (additional info to above message) Whilst doing a bit of delving on the historical directories website last night I discovered an Elizabeth Bennett living at 121 Clifton St, Old Trafford, Manchester which is the address Maud gave when she married in 1907. Maud's father James is shown as deceased on her marriage certificate. So perhaps Elizabath is her mother, sister or grandmother? Maybe this might help to find Maud or James? It is a shame there are so many James and Elizabeth Bennetts, but thankfully not too many Mauds! Thanks for any help you can offer. Catherine