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Hi, I am looking for a marriage of Edward Stokes to Marion Godfrey around 1868 - 1870. Marion was born in London 1852c, whilst Edward was born in Birmingham Marion could be spelt Marrianne, Mariann, Maryann. She's Marion on birth cert, and Mary Ann on a census. Daughter's birth certificate dated 1870, Birmingham which states 'mother's maiden name Godfrey'. They had another son named William around 1876 also born Birmingham.1843. Occupation Brass Dresser on daughter's birth cert, but on daughters marriage he's a Chandelier Maker. As Marion was born in 1852 and daughter was born 1870, I can't believe she would have married before 1868. I have asked several members who offer BMD searches and so far no luck. I'm desperate, if they got married, which the birth certificate indicates then why can't I find them? Any help or advice will be extremely appreciated, and thanks for looking, Regards Lou

Is there any chance that SHE had been married before this marriage? Because it would be registered under her say WIDOW name?

You can search on ancestry free the beta bmd index to find them if you are certain they actually married. But it isnt unusual for women to say they are married at the registration of a birth - telling porkies. Did they go on to have other children? You may have to look years passed this birth to see if they married later on. Ive got one couple who married 17 years after first kiddie was born.

THESE ARE ALL THE MARRIAGES FOR EDWARD STOKES THAT I CAN FIND - ANY LOOK INTERESTING? Stokes Edward Aston.6d 528 Marriage 4 1873 Stokes Edward Benjamin Aston.6d 318 Marriage 3 1870 Stokes Edward Bedwelty.11a 181 Marriage 2 1874 Stokes Edward Bicester.3a 881 Marriage 2 1870 Stokes Edward Birkenhead.8a 710 Marriage 4 1866 Stokes Edward Birmingham.6d 186 Marriage 4 1872 Stokes Edward Birmingham.6d 49 Marriage 2 1869 Stokes Edward Bridgnorth.6a 1233 Marriage 2 1873 Stokes Edward Clerkenwell.1b 933 Marriage 2 1868 Stokes Edward Congleton.8a 437 Marriage 2 1874 Stokes Edward Coventry.6d 687 Marriage 2 1874 Stokes Edward James Coventry.6d 617 Marriage 4 1867 Stokes Edward Coventry.6d 467 Marriage 1 1869 Stokes Edward Gateshead.10a 1045 Marriage 3 1875 Stokes Edward Hay.11b 205 Marriage 3 1866 Stokes Edward Kings Norton.6c 586 Marriage 2 1869 Stokes Edward Albert Lambeth.1d 569 Marriage 3 1875 Stokes Edward Luton.3b 795 Marriage 2 1872 Stokes Edward Madeley.6a 1209 Marriage 4 1868 Stokes Edward Meriden.6d 521 Marriage 4 1869 Stokes Edward Charles Poole.5a 487 Marriage 3 1875 Stokes Edward Settle.9a 21 Marriage 2 1875 Stokes Edward Strand.1b 897 Marriage 2 1873 Stokes Edward Reuben Upton Upon Severn.6c 449 Marriage 3 1874 Stokes Edward Bradney West Bromwich.6b 734 Marriage 1 1870 Stokes Edward Francis Westminster.1a 711 Marriage 4 1871

Well Dianas found a good few there in the Birmingham district - have you seen all these before? perhaps you could see which seem likely and then look up the year and quarter on ancestry beta bmd index for the matching bride?

AND THESE ARE MARION GODFREY Godfrey Marion E C Rogers Croydon.2a 547 Marriage 1 1920 Godfrey Marion Revill Ecclesall Bierlow.9c 890 Marriage 3 1919 Godfrey Marion Sophia Edmonton.3a 842 Marriage 4 1902 Godfrey Marion Kensington.1a 169 Marriage 3 1873 Godfrey Marion Harriett Lambeth.1d 494 Marriage 4 1872 Godfrey Marion A Wilton Liskeard.5c 111 Marriage 2 1914 Godfrey Marion Annabella St Olave.1d 335 Marriage 1 1897

Have you looked for them on the 1861 census as unmarried people? Would seem more likely - though not absolute, that a girl that young would still be in her local neighbourhood when she married?

Have you checked ANY of the census records cos i can't even find an Edwards Stokes in Birmingham on 1871 who would have been old enough!!

I can't pinpoint them on the 1881 census either. Which census did you find them on, Looby?

Is this them in 1881? Edward STOKES Head M Male 38 Birmingham, Warwick, England Brass Dresser Marian STOKES Wife M Female 29 London, Middlesex, England Lily M. STOKES Daur Female 9 Birmm, Warwick, England Scholar William STOKES Son Male 5 Meverhampton, Stafford, England Scholar William SENIOR Lodger U Male 25 Doncaster, York, England Carriage Trimmer Mark W. RIVETTE Lodger U Male 45 G Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Coach Trimmer (RCM) I always wonder when there is an age gap, that perhaps the older party has already been married.......then they can't marry the new partner if the first wife (in this case) is still alive........ Merry

Hi everybody, Only just got back, sorry. Don't think she would have been married previously as she was only about 18 when she 'married' Edward, so that's unlikely. Merry's found my family of Stokes, I can't find them after 1881. I have searched for Edward at an early date, and think I may have found him. His occupation at that time was Brass Caster and his wife was Eliza b 1846 Birmingham and daughter Sarah Ann / Amy b 1870 Birmingham. It never occured to me that they would marry at a later date. Lou

So you need to find out what happened to Eliza.........if she didn't die, then that might be why you can't find a marriage for Marian! Do you have Lily's birth cert? Merry

So is this her in 1861? Alfred Godfrey abt 1854 Marylebone Son St Marylebone Middlesex Edward Godfrey abt 1810 Barnett Head St Marylebone Middlesex Henry Godfrey abt 1846 St Marylebone Son St Marylebone Middlesex Joseph Godfrey abt 1851 St Marylebone Son St Marylebone Middlesex Mary Godfrey abt 1814 Epping Wife St Marylebone Middlesex Mary Ann Godfrey abt 1852 Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex William Godfrey abt 1857 Middlesex, England Son St Marylebone Middlesex

I would get this cert to see who Lily's mother is.....:(if you don't have it already!) Name: Lilly Maria Stokes Year of Registration: 1870 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Birmingham (1837-1924) County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 97 Merry

Hi Merry, I've got Lily Maria's birth certificate. It states mothers name as ' Marion Stokes formerly Godfrey' and she's signed it Marion Stokes. Lou

But I thought you had found them on the 1871 and his wife was Eliza then?? But Lily was born before 1871??? Merry

Sorry Merry your right. My mistake. I thought I'd found my Edward, earlier but obviously he can't be the same man. As you say Lily was born April 1870, so it can't be her father with previous wife, and her birth cert clearly states he's the father and Marion as mother. Oh dear, at a loss as can't find Edward and Marion at a later date and can't find their marriage. Any suggestions? Lou

Well Ive had a shufty on the familyrelatives site between 1870-1881 and no sign of a Mary Ann, Marion or Marian marrying as yet!

Go to a different branch of your tree????!!! Only joking! Thinking............................................... Merry