Genealogy Chat

hiya bill what about tthe bethnal green birth for henry?? my knowledge of london areas is pretty poor, have you looked at any trade directories? or wouldnt he be listed in them?? the marriage i found, could that be a possible?? failing that its going to be a case of trawling complete images, again, but i couldnt find anything under swift at all Julie

bill did you say parents were henry and susannah swift? or did you mean that MMN was swift, and dads name was wade?? Julie

Julie The only proven links so far are my Grandfather Henry Alfred Wade (birth and marriage certs. Henry Alfred's parents were Henry Wade and Susanna Wade (nee Swift). We have found this family, but cannot trace back further. hope this clarifies. Bill

bill is this the swift/bliss family you were talking about?? 1881 View Record Alfred Bliss abt 1855 Westminster, Middlesex, England Head St Mary Islington London View Record Jane Bliss abt 1833 Islington, Middlesex, England Wife St Mary Islington London View Record William Bliss abt 1878 Islington, Middlesex, England Son St Mary Islington London View Record Thomas Miller abt 1845 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Brother in Law St Mary Islington London View Record Ellen Swift abt 1870 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Step Daughter St Mary Islington London View Record Susanna Swift abt 1864 Islington, Middlesex, England Step Daughter St Mary Islington London julie

i expect you did see this Bill, is family before swifts/bliss on 1881 census, coincidence???? Record Alice Wade abt 1879 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Islington London View Record Catherine Wade abt 1840 Bristol Wife St Mary Islington London View Record Catherine Wade abt 1863 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Islington London View Record Edwin Wade abt 1838 Lambeth, Surrey, England Head St Mary Islington London View Record Edwin Wade abt 1859 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Son St Mary Islington London View Record Emma Wade abt 1873 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Islington London >>>>> Henry Wade abt 1861 Surrey, England Son St Mary Islington London View Record Maria Wade abt 1876 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Islington London View Record Walter Wade abt 1871 Newington, Surrey, England Son St Mary Islington London View Record William Wade abt 1866 St Georges, Surrey, England Son St Mary Islington London julie

found this, it may help Name: Catherine Swift Year of Registration: 1864 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 194 julie

Bill, i am at a loss as to what to suggest next, unless they didnt marry at all, or they married somewhere else scotland perhaps, (just clutching at straws here), or they did marry but isnt in index for some reason, the only other things i can think of is too look in P/R's of brides district, and see if there is a marriage there, or have a check on familyrelatives site to see if its on there. Sorry cant be of more help Julie

Julie The Bliss family is the correct one. However, the coincidence of a Wade family in close proximity is interesting, especially as the christian names are similar to the children of the henry Wade we are seeking. His children were, Catherine (b.1886),Alice (b.1896). Also the witness at my Granfparents wedding was mabel Swailes, and her census page shows an Emma Wade living next door. This Emma would have been born around 1835. There do seem to be a lot of coincidences, but we still cannot find Henry b 1860. Regards, Bill

Having had no joy in finding Henry Wade, having been searching the Hoxton area, I noticed that the Henry I was after was born in Lambeth. So I did a search and now think I am close. I do not know how to transfer the census details onto here, but the Henry Wade I am now pursuing was born in 1861 at Christ Church Surrey and was the son of Edwin, born lambeth in 1838 and Catherine Wade, born 1840 in Bristol. Edwin was the son of John Wade (appears as Johan in census), born 1806 at Ever, Chelmsford in 1806. he was married to Dina ???, born 1808. I have not been able to find any marriage certificate details for any of the above. I am not ordering any birth Certs at the minute because the cenus's appear to give all the details of parentage. Any help wouild be appreciated Bill

hiya Bill, this them in 1871??? Name: Henry Wade Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Son Father's name: Edwin Mother's name: Cathrine Gender: Male Where born: Christchurch, Surrey, England Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St John The Baptist Hoxton County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 343 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Wade 8 Cathrine Wade 31 Edwin Wade 33 Edwin Wade 12 Henry Wade 16 Walter Wade 16 months William Wade 5 To get the census details onto a thread, you have to left click on mouse, and highlight the text that you want to copy (text will go blue) then right click, and goto 'copy', then move to page where you want text to be placed, right click on mouse and 'paste' am sure when you have played with it, you will get hang of it Julie

bill 1861 Name: Edwin Wade Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Catherine Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 169 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Wade 21 Edwin Wade 23 Edwin Wade 2 Henry Wade 6 Mo julie

Julie This entry shows his parents Edwin Wade Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Son Father's name: Johan Mother's name: Dina Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 179 Household Members: Name Age Amelia Wade 10 Amelia Wade 4 Dina Wade 47 Edwin Wade 13 Emmas Wade 17 James Wade 20 Johan Wade 45 Mary Ann Wade 7 William Wade 1 View Original Record View original image View blank form Bill

Have you contacted the Tabram researchers on the site, just in case they have anything useful? Christine

Bill, i see you got hang of it then, well done!! I have looked for possible marriage of edwin to catherine, no luck, also with childrens birth refs, (think this will mean trawling complete index) again :) many thanks for posting details of edwins parents, may now be able to find something else Julie

Christine Yes...have all Tabram lines, but the researchers, only have my grandfather Hery Alfred Wade. Bill

hiya found this on Hugh wallis site -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EMMA WADE Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 22 JUN 1834 Saint John The Evangelist, Lambeth, Surrey, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN WADE Family Mother: DIANA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- julie

Hi Julie Looks interesting!!. John was born in Ever, Chelmsford Essex, but lived in Lambeth. His wife was shown as Dina in 1851 Census, but I am sure it must have been Diana. Emma is not shown on the 1851 Census as part of the family, but if she was born about 1822, she would have been about 29. So was probably married. I could not find any marriage details for her. What is the Harris site? Bill

Julie Sorry I mean't the Hugh Wallis site? Bill

hiya Bill, try this for Parish records, the info is from the LDS but hugh has listed them by county/parish is much easier than trying to search familysearch*com http://freepages*genealogy*rootsweb*com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Menu if you copy/paste this to your address bar, remember to replace * with dots if that doesnt work, if you type 'hugh wallis' into google, it should be first 'hit' on list Julie BTW there WAS an emma that is on 1851 cen details you posted, she is aged 17, (as emmas) JUlie

hiya bill, did have a look for 1841 census for family, but couldnt find anything, that looked remotely like your wades, cant even find an 'ever' IN chelmsford, praps need to be looking for childrens births, after 1837, to confirm Dina/diana name??? Julie