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And it seems John Edward was away at school

1891
Name: John E Parry
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Male
Where born: Garston

Civil Parish: Pinner
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub registration district: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: >>>>Commercial Travelers Schools

Beth :)

Perhaps this is Edith in 1881. She was with her grandparents.

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John THOMAS Head M Male 48 Llaurwst, Denbigh, Wales Commission Agent
Margaret THOMAS Wife M Female 53 Llanllifan, Montgomery, Wales
Edith A. PARRY Gr Daur Female 5 Handsworth, Stafford, England
Mary WHITTINGTON Serv U Female 30 Darowen, Montgomery, Wales Gen Servant
Randolf REVENE Occupier U Male 70 (For), Germany General Merchant
David W. PHILIP Serv U Male 24 Scotland Grocers Travellor
Alfred J. OWEN Serv Male 17 W Hampton, Stafford, England Grocers Apprentice
Elizabeth COOK Serv U Female 29 Birmm, Warwick, England Domestic Servant

Source Information:
Dwelling 52 Bull St
Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341716
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2998 / 31
Page Number 3

Rose

Here's the reference for 1901:

Class: RG13; Piece: 2709; Folio: 33; Page: 14.

Address looks like 66 Boultow Road

Rose

Mary Thomas in 1871:

1871 England Census
Name: Mary Thomas
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margret
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanwyddelan, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 133
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Edwards 16
John Thomas 37 Llaumd, Denbighshire
Margret Thomas 45 Llanwyddelan, Montgomeryshire
Mary Thomas 18

Rose

1861:

1861 England Census
about Margret Thomas
Name: Margret Thomas
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanwyddelan, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Humphry 22 sister
Edward Humphry 24 brother
John Thomas 27
Margret Thomas 32


Mary was born before Margaret Humphreys married John Thomas.

Marriages Sep 1859
Humphreys Margaret Birmingham 6d 231
Thomas John Birmingham 6d 231


Marriages Sep 1875
HUMPHREYS Mary Birmingham 6d 261
Parry Edward Birmingham 6d 261


Rose

Mary in 1861:

1861 Wales Census
about Mary Humphreys
Name: Mary Humphreys
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanwyddelan, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Pencoed
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Newtown
Sub registration district: Tregynon
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Evan Humphreys 31
Jane Humphreys 68
John Humphreys 77
Mary Humphreys 28
Mary Humphreys 9

Rose

wow wow wow

thank you thsank you

it all seems to fit

ineed to print it all off i think to get my head round it..



will get back to you as soon as i got there lol lot to take in


wonder if we could find john's birth @ 1878 to confirm this was the mother

it must be around birmingham though looking at this

dont you think

i would send for it if i knew which to send for

thanks i did find a Edward near to a John in residence in one census but there is just nothing to confirm it all

would the reisters give father and mother details??


thanks for your help
sharon

how do you actually get to see the details in the originals?

never used the site before

tips?

Sharon,

Two out of 3 censuses have him born in the Liverpool area. The 1891 has him born Garston which means West Derby district. I think the registers have been moved to Liverpool now. You could contact them and say you're looking for a Parry born to Edward and Mary 1877/1878 and see if they can find him. It could be he was just John on his birth cert but Edward was added later.

The Register Office, The Cotton Exchange, Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L3 9UF.
Tel: 0151 233 3004. Fax: 0151 233 4944.
E-mail: [email protected]
On-line indexes - LancashireBMD

Rose

This could be John's birth - without a second name

John Parry
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 46

Andy

If Edward died in Birmingham then this should be his death

Edward Parry
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 36
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 118

Andy

I have contacted the liverpool office about 3 times and did not once get a response..


any suggestions HOW TO get a reply??

andy thanks for your help

And Von too - thanks


I think the west derby birth 1878 I sent for but Edward didnt vcome up as the father so they did not send it to me.. I asked for about 3 over a period of about 5 years which i though it could be
I recieved none back

the death is interesting
again the John was suppose to have been at boarding school ( how true?? but being a clerk, was propably educated) when his father died, this was possibly when he was 12-14 which would make it about 1890 though ( give or take a year)

He is supposed to have died under a train in Snow hill station but wondered how to find deaths connected with the station to see if there were any clues, would think in the 1880-90 it would have been big news - any ideas?

sharon

IF Edward was the Edward who died in 1886 in Birmingham

would his son still be at the Tavellers School in 1891??


1891
Name: John E Parry
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Male
Where born: Garston

Civil Parish: Pinner
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

I don't think there's any reason to assume he wouldn't still be at the school. I'd be inclined to believe census records and not a 120 year old story that's been passed on.

He's not with his mother in 1891 and she is a widow at that point.

Rose

thanks Von never thought of the library..

Have scouted the internet i must confess as i dont live in the area.

Rose thanks again

if i could find out the school he was at I could propblly look at the records for it.. I know Von told me to look at the Achieves Website was a bit mind blowing and couldnt find the info..

but not knowing the school didnt help

but how would she still be paying for school if Edward was dead 5 years ago?

suppose have to find the census and look at her OCCUPATION might be on own mean which would mean she was left money - dont you think?

sharon