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I found these 2 registrations on the GRO site. Please can someone tell me what the note on the first one means.

GREENWOOD, BETSY BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 708 Occasional Copy: A
GREENWOOD, BETSY BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 75

I can't find either of them on FREEBMD (or are the page numbers mistranscribed - should they be 707 & 715)

Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
Births Jun 1848
Greenwood Betsy Todmorden XXI 839 freebmdcc
#COMMENT Correction Reference 2013-00-128683 caused this entry to be added. Claimed Source was "GRO M/Film"
GREENWOOD Betsy Todmorden XXI 839
Greenwood Betsy Todmorden XXI 839.

the page/vol entry have been corrected,to 839.

freebdm.


Births Jun 1848 (>99%)
Greenwood Betsy Todmorden 21 839 Scan available - click to viewAdditional information available - click to view

the entry with Page number 839 has MMN Wilcock and is in a different Qtr

The entries under query are in OND

On freebmd , there are births with Page numbers 707 and 714

Page 714 entry has MMN Greenwood on FMP. Page 707 shows no MMN on FMP

Page 715 entry is for Betsy ANN. On GRO this one shows Page number 716

Thanks Erika - finger trouble!

It is definitely the Butterworth ones I am looking at

Just checked FREEBMD using vol & page no and vol 21 p75 is actually Blackburn not Todmorden

I can’t help with your query about ‘Occasional Copy’, but I have seen that notation on several entries, so it’s a fairly common occurrence. When life returns To ‘normal’, I’ve no doubt the GRO would be pleased to answer any query raised with them.

I believe an occasional copy is because a correction has been done after the first registration

Thanks Erica. On googling it someone thinks it was because the registration had an amendment. The page numbers also threw me.

Sorry Shirley I hadn't refreshed the page before replying - thanks for that explanation which conforms it I think.

I was a little confused also as when I was transcribing for FREEBMD if a correction had been made there was often a comment saying 'see vol n page n'

Occasional copies are submitted by the Superintendent Registrar when a correction is made to a register entry in their custody, nothing to do with illegitimacy

I am sure Betsy was not illegitimate as she was the 6th child of 9 - all the others have normal registrations

OC means that a correction has been made ,in this case the Vol and Page number has been verified and corrected,by the GRO.,,,,,


Here is an example of a correction for the same person.


Births Mar 1845 (>99%)
Greenwood Betsy Todmorden 21 807*** Scan available - click to view
Greenwood Betsy Todmorden 21 806***

She definitely wasn’t illegitimate - the fact that the MMN is on the record is all the evidence you need to prove that.

Unless..........someone lied, in which case you have a different scenario ;-) ;-)

Thanks Erika

If they were lying they were also lying on her baptism - parents and address as known but a private baptism at Christchurch Todmorden which took place when she was about 1 year old. Not found her in any census or her death

parents James & Mary living Baltimore, Todmorden on her baptism and family Stackhills in 1851

ancestry has a Betsy Greenwood death Todmorden age 23 yrs in 1868 , born 1845

Name: Betsy Greenwood
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1845
Burial Date: 24 Dec 1868
Burial Place: Cross Stone Todmorden, St Paul, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Cross Stone Todmorden, St Paul
Address: Knowlwood Terrace

There is also this death

Name: Betsy Greenwood
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: abt 1848
Registration Date: Oct 1931
[Nov 1931]
[Dec 1931]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Todmorden
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 268

And this burial..............

Name: Betsy Greenwood
Age: 71
Birth Year: abt 1848
Burial Date: 6 May 1919
Burial Place: Todmorden, Christ Church, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Todmorden, Christ Church
Address: 15, Stonefield Street

BUT - there is more than one birth in 1848 for Betsy Greenwood in Todmorden

And either - or both - of the women above could have been married

Another death.................and burial

Name: Betsy Greenwood
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: abt 1849
Registration Date: Jan 1932
[Feb 1932]
[Mar 1932]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Todmorden
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 350

Name: Betsy Greenwood
Age: 83
Birth Year: abt 1849
Burial Date: 12 Mar 1932
Burial Place: Cross Stone Todmorden, St Paul, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Cross Stone Todmorden, St Pau
Address: 1, Warland Gate End, Walsden

as you say Erika there are more than 1 Betsy Greenwoods in Todmorden. That is the main problem. I have never found an appropriate one in a census and the address does not seem right (though it is a possible) for the one who died in 1849. It says Shade where the rest of the family appear in 1841 at Baltimore & 51 as Stackhills and from at least June 1851 as Baltimore (from a baptism of twin sisters)

I think I had eliminated the ones you quote as being married - though it could have been a Greenwood Greenwood marriage! Not uncommon.

As she is not a direct ancestor I will probably just give up on this one. Just annoying as the only other one of the 9 I have not got details for is her sister Grace who appears in only 1851 census

Thanks for your help

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There were 37 Grace Greenwoods born in Todmorden RD 1841-51 - but none of them has mms Butterworth.

The only Grace Greenwood, mms Butterworth, born 1841-51, is this one:

GREENWOOD, GRACE mms BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 22 Page 275


This must be your James/Mary family at Stackhills in 1851 , with the twin daughters you mentioned - but there's no Grace.

This is the only Greenwood family at Stackhills in 1851(at least, the only one with James/Mary as parents)

James Greenwood
in the 1851 England Census
Name: James Greenwood
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Greenwood
Gender: Male
Where born: Langfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Langfield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Todmorden
Sub-registration district: Todmorden
ED, institution, or vessel: 2d
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 132
Piece: 2289
Folio: 290
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
James Greenwood 41
Mary Greenwood 39
William Greenwood 17
Mary Greenwood 13
Jennis Greenwood 7 [James ]
Selina Greenwood 5
Mary Alice Greenwood 1 Mo
Emma Greenwood 10 Mo [ should be 1 month ]


GREENWOOD, MARY ALICE BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 901

GREENWOOD, EMMA BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 901


GREENWOOD, JAMES BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 707

GREENWOOD, SELINA BUTTERWORTH
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in TODMORDEN Volume 21 Page 770