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Trying to find children of Ernest, Harold and Florence Hill but not having any luck with this site or free bdm.org.

Ernest Hill, b 1902
Florence Hill, b 1903
Harold Hill, b 1900
Mother Gertrude Turner, b 1874
Father George Hill, b 1875, d 1905

All born and living in Stoke, Staffordshire as confirmed in 1911 census but unable to get any further without buying lots of certificates. All help welcome, thanks :-D

perhaps some one could find then on the 1939 reg

According to that 1911 census Gertrude is the daughter of Arthur & Selina Poole.

FLORENCE
Last name HILL
Birth year 1903
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Turner
District Stoke on Trent
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 169

HILL, ALBERT ERNEST TURNER
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 196

HILL, ARTHUR HAROLD TURNER
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 222

Arthur Harold
Last name Hill
Age 17
Birth year 1899
Birth county Staffordshire
Birth country England
Service number 81287
Regiment Durham Light Infantry
Unit / Battalion 13th Traning Reserve Barralion, No 5th Provisional Company
Year 1917
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive
The National Archives

nok gertrude hill mother 45 harcourt st shelt

Name: Arthur Harold Hill
Age: 29
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1900
Death Date: abt 1929
Death Place: 2, Togg St. N/C
Burial Date: 4 Jun 1929
Burial Place: Staffordshire, England
Cemetery: Newcastle Cemetery
Cemetery Section: 96.26 49. E
Grave Number: 26.
Interment Number: 23028
Cemetery Notes: Unconsecrated

address 2 fogg street

1939
Name: Albert E Hill
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1901
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 109
Residence Place: Rugeley, Staffordshire, England
Occupation: Coal Miner Loader Undergro??
Schedule Number: 213
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ORYB
Registration district: Lichfield Rugeley 367/2
Inferred Spouse: Hilda M Hill
Household Members:
Name
Albert E Hill
Hilda M Hill

Name: Hilda Youmans
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1920
Marriage Church: Holy Trinity
Marriage Place: Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England
Registration district: East Staffordshire
Spouse: Alber

son born burtron on trent 1921

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Name: Florence Hill
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1903
Marriage Date: 6 Jul 1929
Marriage Place: Wilne, Derbyshire, England
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Father: George Hill --- warehouse man
Spouse: William Foster

1911
Name: William Foster
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Adopted Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Codnor, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Codnor and Loscoe
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County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Jessop Street Codnor Derbyshire
Occupation: School
Registration district: Basford
Registration District Number: 429
Sub-registration district: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Piece: 20391
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Foulds Abbott 34
Sarah Maria Abbott 29
William Foster 9
Mary Newton 74

Selena Bettany was married twice

Selina was a widow to Alfred Turner by 1881
Selina married to Arthur Poole by 1891


Are we saying that Arthur Harold Hill is son of Gertrude? If so that doesn't add up.

Birth
TURNER, GERTRUDE BETTANY
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 230

Marriage to William Foster must be incorrect as Florence s father George died 1905 so he wouldn't have signed the certificate

it would seem so

i know you have this
1911
Gertrude Hill
[Gertrude Poole]
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Hanley
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County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 4 Harcourt Street, Hanley, Stoke on Trent
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: At Home
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 274
Piece: 16536
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Poole 50
Selina Poole 58
Gertrude Hill 36
Harold Hill 11
Ernest Hill 9
Florence Hill 8
Gladys Poole 6

and together in 1901
Arthur Poole 40
Selina Poole 51
Florence Poole 15
Gertrude Hill 26
Harold Hill 7/12

Name: Gertrude Turner
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 9 Aug 1898
Marriage Place: Wellington, Stafford, England
Spouse: George Hill
FHL Film Number: 1471183

florences marriage
george only named as father, he didn't sign it
a witness was Harry ??? harold

Yes thats the one

The other thing that is out of place with George is his occupation as he was an engine driver. How certain can we be that this is the right marriage - sorry to be a pain Maddie

Volume 6B
Page 222
Entry Number
Line Number 228


please can you confirm if this the same person as below -

Arthur Harold
Last name Hill
Age 17
Birth year 1899
Birth county Staffordshire
Birth country England
Service number 81287
Regiment Durham Light Infantry
Unit / Battalion 13th Traning Reserve Barralion, No 5th Provisional Company
Year 1917
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive
The National Archives

Name: Gertrude Turner
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1875
Marriage Date: 9 Aug 1898
Marriage Place: Wellington, Staffordshire, England
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Father: Alfred Turner
Spouse: George Hill
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Name: Selina Bettany
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
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Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 242
to Alfred Turner


the army record already posted above
getrude named as mother

Don 't use GR for research - it's very little use for that.

The usefulness of GR lies in the members who give their help

Your post gives birth years, but no indication of who any of them married - IF they did.

Erica I am struggling to find out who They married hence why I cant find the children.

If you have exact date of birth it would help to find Florence on the 1939 register.

Well, unless they married, there won’t have been any legitimate children, so looking for children for the males is pointless until you find IF they married

And you need to search using their correct birth names - not those used on 1911 census

Think this is Gertrude in 1939. She is widowed not married.


27 Chamberlain Street, Stoke-On-Trent C.B., Staffordshire, England

Samuel Mason 28 May 1912 Male Gas Producer Corp Gas W? Married 161 1
Florence W Mason 08 Jul 1914 Female Potters Sponger Married 161 2
Gertrude Hill 15 Mar 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 161 3

Think she dies in 1942.


Did you know there was another child, Doris who died?

Birth
HILL, DORIS TURNER
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 199

Death
HILL, DORIS 0
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 122