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to anyone who has information on the keys, fowler, sanders and donovan connections from tottenham and southwark I would be very interested

sorry that's too vague

to see if anyone has them in their tree go to search members trees which is in the Search heading above the boards.

If anyone has any listed you can try to make contact by sending a message by clicking on the find out more box

you have the info but I,m afraid we dont to try and help

What era !

No one is just likely to happen by your thread with an interest in these families. I'm sure there are many families with these names in those areas.

Your best bet would be to look in "Search" top of page and the "search all members trees". You can input the names you have and see if any other members have them in their tree.

There is then an option to contact those members. Tell them who you are linking them to and why you think you might be related.

Bear in mind that not everyone who joined GR is still a member or has any wish to make contact, or is able to make contact now, so don't be upset if folks don't reply.

Your other option is to be very specific about who you are interested in and post their details - with a bit more info. than you've opened with. 'Any information' covers a lot of ground.

Dates?

Forenames?

Have you checked on here in 'search all member trees'?

Are the families linked?

What facts do you have as a starting point?

I tried a stab in the dark - marriage of Keys and Fowler. Came up with:

Name: James Thomas Keys
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Date: 1880
Marriage Date: 6 Apr 1902
Marriage Place: Newington, Surrey, England
Father: James Keys
Spouse: Louisa Ann Fowler - age 20
Father: William Fowler


A tree on Ancestry shows:

JAMES THOMAS KEYS

Birth
6 Mar 1880 • 52 Devonshire street, Trinity Newington.
5 Sources
1880

(AGE)

Christening
5 May 1880 • St Matthew, Newington Butts,
1880

Baptism
5 May 1880 • Newington St Matthew, England
1 Source
1880

Death of Brother John James Keys(1876–1881)
Jun 1881 • St Saviour
1881

1

Residence
1881 • Newington, London, England
Relation to Head of House: Daughter

1 Source
1881

1

Birth of Sister MARGARET KEYS(1881–1882)
31 Dec 1881 • St Saviour
1881

1

Death of Sister MARGARET KEYS(1881–1882)
Dec 1882 • St Saviour
1882

2

Birth of Brother GEORGE KEYS(1884–1885)
26 Apr 1884 • Southwark
1884

4

Death of Brother GEORGE KEYS(1884–1885)
Sept 1885 • Southwark
1885

5

Birth of Brother WILLIAM DANIEL KEYS (Daniel)(1886–1928)
24 Apr 1886 • Newington , Southwark
1886

6

Birth of Brother THOMAS KEYS(1888–1923)
Jun 1888 • St Saviour,Southwark
1888

8

Birth of Brother Robert Keys(1890–1952)
12 Apr 1890 • 10 Paul,s cottages Southwark.
1890

10

Residence
1891 • St George the Martyr, London, England
Relation to Head of House: Son

1 Source
1891

11

Birth of Sister Maria Sophia Keys(1892–1962)
4 Jan 1892 • St Saviour,Southwark
1892

11

Birth and Death of Sister Ellen Keys(1893–1893)
Dec 1893 • Southwark
1893

13

Birth of Brother Henry Keys(1894–1917)
25 Oct 1894 • 2 Beckett st,
1894

14

Birth of Sister ESTHER CAROLINE KEYS (Dol)(1896–1955)
28 Sept 1896 • 3 Caffrey place. Borough rd, Southwark
1896

16

Birth of Daughter MARGARET LOUISA KEYS(1901–1903)
22 Mar 1901 • 4 Chalgrove rd, Tottenham
1901

21

Marriage
6 Apr 1902 • St John,s Church, Newington, Southwark.
Louisa Ann Fowler
(1881–1954)

3 Sources
1902

22

Birth of Son JAMES ROBERT KEYS(1903–1991)
26 Mar 1903 • Southwark
1903

23

Death of Daughter MARGARET LOUISA KEYS(1901–1903)
Dec 1903 • Lambeth
1903

23

Birth of Daughter Kathleen Charlotte Keys(1905–1981)
12 Jun 1905 • Southwark
1905

25

Birth of Son BARNABAS KEYS (Barney)(1907–1999)
1 Sept 1907 • Southwark.
1907

27

Birth of Son Thomas Keys(1909–1910)
28 Sep 1909 • Southwark
1909

29

Death of Son Thomas Keys(1909–1910)
23 Nov 1910 • 4a Lorenco rd, Tottenham
1910

30

Residence
02 Apr 1911 • Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head

1 Source
1911

31

Birth of Daughter Martha Ellen Keys(1911–1979)
24 Sept 1911 • Edmonton.
1911

31

Birth of Son Robert Keys (Bobby)(1913–1972)
11 Dec 1913 • 30a Lorenco rd ,Tottenham
1913

33

Birth of Son Henry William Keys (Harryboy)(1916–1994)
10 Apr 1916 • Edmonton
1916

36

Death of Father James Keys(1856–1916)
11 May 1916 • Fleet Street (near bouverie street) London
1916

36

Death of Brother Henry Keys(1894–1917)
31 Jul 1917 • France and Flanders
1917

37

Death of Mother MARGARET DONOVAN(1859–1917)
19 Aug 1917 • 3 Bloomfield rd , Tottenham.
1917

37

Birth of Son Daniel William Keys (Patsy)(1918–1988)
28 Aug 1918 • Edmonton
1918

38

Birth of Son Frederick Charles Keys(1920–1981)
28 Dec 1920 • Edmonton
1920

40

Birth of Son John Keys(1923–1996)
18 Jan 1923 • Tottenham,
1923

42

Death of Brother THOMAS KEYS(1888–1923)
8 Jun 1923 • 1 Gilpin cresent Edmonton
1923

43

Residence
1924 • Tottenham, England
1 Source
1924

44

Birth of Son Thomas George Keys (Tommy)(1925–1959)
Mar 1925 • Tottenham
1925

44

Residence
1927 • Tottenham North, England
1 Source
1927

47

Death of Brother WILLIAM DANIEL KEYS (Daniel)(1886–1928)
2 Nov 1928 • North Middlesex Hospital, Edmonton.
1928

48

Residence
1929 • Tottenham North, England
1 Source
1929

49

Residence
1932 • Tottenham North, England
1 Source
1932

52

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Residence
1935 • Tottenham North, England
1 Source
1935

55

Death
8 Aug 1937 • 4 Bloomfield rd, Tottenham
1 Source
1937

57

Burial
13 Aug 1937 • Tottenham Cemetery, Tottenham.
1937

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James Keys
1856–1916


MARGARET DONOVAN
1859–1917

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Louisa Ann Fowler
1881–1954

MARGARET LOUISA KEYS
1901–1903

JAMES ROBERT KEYS
1903–1991

Kathleen Charlotte Keys
1905–1981


BARNABAS KEYS (Barney)
1907–1999

Thomas Keys
1909–1910

Martha Ellen Keys
1911–1979

Robert Keys (Bobby)
1913–1972


Henry William Keys (Harryboy)
1916–1994


Daniel William Keys (Patsy)
1918–1988

Frederick Charles Keys
1920–1981

John Keys
1923–1996

Thomas George Keys (Tommy)
1925–1959

ESTHER CAROLINE KEYS
45–2000

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Lance Corporal
KEYS, HENRY
Service Number SR/7193

Died 31/07/1917

4th Bn.
Middlesex Regiment

No additional info

First name(s) James Thomas
Last name Keys
Birth year 1880
Birth parish Southwark
Birth town London
Birth county Surrey
Birth country England
Service number 9865
Regiment Royal Fusiliers
Year 1897
Attestation date 06 Jul 1897
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 4
Attestation service number 9865
Attestation corps 5th Bn Roy Fusrs
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive
The National Archives

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St George's Buildings, Union Street, St George the Martyr Southwark, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England

James Keys Head Married Male 37 1854 General Dealer London, Middlesex, England
Margaret Keys Wife Married Female 35 1856 Book Folder London, Middlesex, England
James F Keys Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Daniel Keys Son - Male 5 1886 - London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Keys Son - Male 3 1888 - London, Middlesex, England
Robert Keys Son - Male - - - London, Middlesex, England

Name: Kathleen Charlotte Keys
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Jul 1906
Baptism Place: Walworth St John the Evangelist, Southwark, England
Father: James Thomas Keys
Mother: Louisa Ann Keys

Name: James William Keys
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1855
Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1876
Marriage Place: St John, Horselydown, Southwark, England
Father: John Keys
Spouse: Margret Duneven
Father: John Duneven

Register Type: Parish Register

KEYS, JAMES THOMAS (MMN) DONOVAN
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 95

1939

Keys Household (5 People)
Bloomfield Road , Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England


Louisa A Keys 04 Jun 1881 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid Widowed 172 1
Daniel W Keys 28 Aug 1918 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 2
Frederick C Keys 28 Dec 1920 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 3
John Keys 26 Feb 1922 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 4
Thomas Keys 14 Feb 1924 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 5

thankyou to everyone who answered only i'm quite new to doing this and I know most of the family but wanted to know beyond james william keys and also don't know much about the sanders side of the family starting with beatrice louisa sanders 1907-1943 I know she had a brother frederick and a sister winnie. Beatrice would be my nan who sadly we never got to know

1891

Name: James Keys
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1854
Spouse: Margaret Keys
Child: James T Keys
Daniel Keys
Thomas Keys
Robert Keys
Birth Place: St George the Martyr, London, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr
Residence Place: St George the Martyr, London, England
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Piece: 344
Folio: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
James Keys 37
Margaret Keys 33
James T Keys 12
Daniel Keys 5
Thomas Keys 3
Robert Keys 1

POSSIBLY
1861
Name: William Keys
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Keys
Mother's name: Sarah Keys
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 77
Folio: 94
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Keys 45
Sarah Keys 42
John Keys 14
George Keys 11
Charles Keys 9
William Keys 8
Rosa Keys 6
Robert Dickenson 7/12

1861

Name: Margarett Donovan
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Donovan
Mother's name: Catherine Donovan
Gender: Female
Where born: St George in the East, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St Saviour
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 314
Folio: 87
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Donovan 52
Catherine Donovan 45
Thomas Donovan 22
John Donovan 14
Daniel Donovan 11
Margarett Donovan 3
Austie Baldock 26

SANDERS, LOUISA BEATRICE (MMN) AYLWARD
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 528

Name: Louisa B Sanders
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Barnabas Keys
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1592

1939

Keys Household (8 People)
4 Bloomfield Road , Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England


Beatrice Keys 01 Jun 1907 Female Doemstic Duties Unpaid Married 171 2
Barnabas Keys 01 Sep 1907 Male Builders Labourer Widowed 171 1
Barnabas Keys 18 Sep 1928 Male At School Single 171 3
Frederick (A) Keys 23 May 1930 Male At School Divorced 171 4
John (P) Keys 12 Aug 1932 Male At School Divorced 171 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sylvia Gannon (Keys) 14 Apr 1937 Female Usa Single 171 7

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
Aylward Alberta Beatrice Edmonton 3a 715
Sanders Arthur Edmonton 3a 715


Pension records
Name: Louesa Bertrice Sanders
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1909
Birth Place: West Tattenhan
Age: 6
Document Year: 1915
Relationship to Soldier: Child
Form Title: Descriptive Report on Enlistment
Number of Images: 9
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Arthur Sanders Self (Head)
Alberta Beatrice Aylaward Spouse
Louesa Bertrice Sanders Child
Winefred Doris Sanders Child
Frederich John Sanders Child

Go to freebmd and look for births using the surnames 'Sanders' and 'Aylward'

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

There are seven more AFTER Frederick

First name(s) ALBERTA BEATRICE
Last name AYLWARD
Birth year 1889
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Cook
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 385

1939

20 Edith Road , Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England


Victor B Sanders 22 Oct 1925 Male At School Single 155 2
Arthur Sanders 20 Oct 1887 Male Professional Musician Married 155 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Beatrice Sanders 24 Mar 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 155 5
Edith Coulson (Sanders) 15 Feb 1923 Female Machinist Boot & Shoe Trade Single 155 6

Name: Alberta Beatrice Aylward
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Apr 1891
Baptism Place: All Hallows, Tottenham, Haringey, England
Father: Abraham George Aylward
Mother: Sarah Elizabeth Aylward


Name: Abraham George Aylward
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1865
Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1884
Marriage Place: St John the Baptist, Islington, Islington, England
Father: Abraham Aylward
Spouse: Sarah Cook

1891
Name: Abraham Geo Aylward
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1864
Spouse: Sarah Elizth Aylward
Child: Abraham Geo Aylward
Alberta B Aylward
Birth Place: Bromley, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Residence Place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1067
Folio: 108
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Geo Aylward 27
Sarah Elizth Aylward 26
Abraham Geo Aylward 5
Alberta B Aylward 2

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