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I looked also at the names of his children - echoing those of mother and 2 siblings

But I will still stress that the marriage cert is vital.

That was the one I had come to via this birth BUT as you see he has a middle name,

SANDERS, ARTHUR HENRY JOBSON
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 368

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)

Jobson Louisa Hackney 1b 738

Sanders Simeion Hackney 1b 738

Name: Arthur Sanders
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1886
Marriage Date: 13 Mar 1907
Marriage Place: Edmonton
Age: 29
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 4 Edith Road, Tottenham Hale
Regimental Number: 103390
Regiment Name: Royal Field Artillery
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 9
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Name Relation to Soldier
Arthur Sanders Self (Head)
Alberta Beatrice Aylaward Spouse
Louesa Bertrice Sanders Child born 01/06/07
Winefred Doris Sanders Child born 19/08/12
Frederich John Sanders Child born 30/10/14

Ancestry links this 1901 census record to the marriage - BUT, if you wish to be sure you have accurate details, buying a copy of the marriage cert is the ONLY way.

Name: Arthur Sanders
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Simeon Sanders
Mother: Louisa Sanders
Birth Place: Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1248
Folio: 133
Page Number: 2
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Simeon Sanders 39
Louisa Sanders 37
Herbert Sanders 15
Arthur Sanders 13
Louisa Sanders 10
Frederick Sanders 6
Elsie Pingree 33
Walter Danell 52
Albert Danell 19

Lesley you may need the marriage cert for Arthur to find out his father's name

date of birth from 1939 as posted

Arthur Sanders 20 Oct 1887 Male

alberta aylward married arthur sanders in 1907, as far as I know he was born in 1887 and thats all I know. Could someone please be kind enough to enlighten me on that side of my family. They got married in edmonton.
kindest regards
Lesley

:-D

Name: Alberta Beatrice Aylward
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Apr 1891
Baptism Place: All Hallows, Tottenham, Haringey, England
Father: Abraham George Aylward
Mother: Sarah Elizabeth Aylward


Name: Abraham George Aylward
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1865
Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1884
Marriage Place: St John the Baptist, Islington, Islington, England
Father: Abraham Aylward
Spouse: Sarah Cook

1891
Name: Abraham Geo Aylward
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1864
Spouse: Sarah Elizth Aylward
Child: Abraham Geo Aylward
Alberta B Aylward
Birth Place: Bromley, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Residence Place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1067
Folio: 108
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Geo Aylward 27
Sarah Elizth Aylward 26
Abraham Geo Aylward 5
Alberta B Aylward 2

1939

20 Edith Road , Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England


Victor B Sanders 22 Oct 1925 Male At School Single 155 2
Arthur Sanders 20 Oct 1887 Male Professional Musician Married 155 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Beatrice Sanders 24 Mar 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 155 5
Edith Coulson (Sanders) 15 Feb 1923 Female Machinist Boot & Shoe Trade Single 155 6

First name(s) ALBERTA BEATRICE
Last name AYLWARD
Birth year 1889
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Cook
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 385

Go to freebmd and look for births using the surnames 'Sanders' and 'Aylward'

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

There are seven more AFTER Frederick

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
Aylward Alberta Beatrice Edmonton 3a 715
Sanders Arthur Edmonton 3a 715


Pension records
Name: Louesa Bertrice Sanders
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1909
Birth Place: West Tattenhan
Age: 6
Document Year: 1915
Relationship to Soldier: Child
Form Title: Descriptive Report on Enlistment
Number of Images: 9
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Arthur Sanders Self (Head)
Alberta Beatrice Aylaward Spouse
Louesa Bertrice Sanders Child
Winefred Doris Sanders Child
Frederich John Sanders Child

SANDERS, LOUISA BEATRICE (MMN) AYLWARD
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 528

Name: Louisa B Sanders
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Barnabas Keys
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1592

1939

Keys Household (8 People)
4 Bloomfield Road , Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England


Beatrice Keys 01 Jun 1907 Female Doemstic Duties Unpaid Married 171 2
Barnabas Keys 01 Sep 1907 Male Builders Labourer Widowed 171 1
Barnabas Keys 18 Sep 1928 Male At School Single 171 3
Frederick (A) Keys 23 May 1930 Male At School Divorced 171 4
John (P) Keys 12 Aug 1932 Male At School Divorced 171 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sylvia Gannon (Keys) 14 Apr 1937 Female Usa Single 171 7

1861

Name: Margarett Donovan
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Donovan
Mother's name: Catherine Donovan
Gender: Female
Where born: St George in the East, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St Saviour
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 314
Folio: 87
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Donovan 52
Catherine Donovan 45
Thomas Donovan 22
John Donovan 14
Daniel Donovan 11
Margarett Donovan 3
Austie Baldock 26

1891

Name: James Keys
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1854
Spouse: Margaret Keys
Child: James T Keys
Daniel Keys
Thomas Keys
Robert Keys
Birth Place: St George the Martyr, London, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr
Residence Place: St George the Martyr, London, England
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Piece: 344
Folio: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
James Keys 37
Margaret Keys 33
James T Keys 12
Daniel Keys 5
Thomas Keys 3
Robert Keys 1

POSSIBLY
1861
Name: William Keys
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Keys
Mother's name: Sarah Keys
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 77
Folio: 94
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
John Keys 45
Sarah Keys 42
John Keys 14
George Keys 11
Charles Keys 9
William Keys 8
Rosa Keys 6
Robert Dickenson 7/12

thankyou to everyone who answered only i'm quite new to doing this and I know most of the family but wanted to know beyond james william keys and also don't know much about the sanders side of the family starting with beatrice louisa sanders 1907-1943 I know she had a brother frederick and a sister winnie. Beatrice would be my nan who sadly we never got to know

1939

Keys Household (5 People)
Bloomfield Road , Tottenham M.B., Middlesex, England


Louisa A Keys 04 Jun 1881 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid Widowed 172 1
Daniel W Keys 28 Aug 1918 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 2
Frederick C Keys 28 Dec 1920 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 3
John Keys 26 Feb 1922 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 4
Thomas Keys 14 Feb 1924 Male General Labourer (Hy Wk Single 172 5

Name: James William Keys
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1855
Marriage Date: 10 Jan 1876
Marriage Place: St John, Horselydown, Southwark, England
Father: John Keys
Spouse: Margret Duneven
Father: John Duneven

Register Type: Parish Register

KEYS, JAMES THOMAS (MMN) DONOVAN
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 95

Name: Kathleen Charlotte Keys
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Jul 1906
Baptism Place: Walworth St John the Evangelist, Southwark, England
Father: James Thomas Keys
Mother: Louisa Ann Keys

First name(s) James Thomas
Last name Keys
Birth year 1880
Birth parish Southwark
Birth town London
Birth county Surrey
Birth country England
Service number 9865
Regiment Royal Fusiliers
Year 1897
Attestation date 06 Jul 1897
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 4
Attestation service number 9865
Attestation corps 5th Bn Roy Fusrs
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive
The National Archives

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St George's Buildings, Union Street, St George the Martyr Southwark, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England

James Keys Head Married Male 37 1854 General Dealer London, Middlesex, England
Margaret Keys Wife Married Female 35 1856 Book Folder London, Middlesex, England
James F Keys Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Daniel Keys Son - Male 5 1886 - London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Keys Son - Male 3 1888 - London, Middlesex, England
Robert Keys Son - Male - - - London, Middlesex, England