Genealogy Chat

John Lomas (visitor in the 1901 census) doesn't seem to be any relation, unfortunately - might have verified if she's the right Emma.

John Lomas
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John Lomas
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1890
Father: Frederick Lomas
Mother: Rose A Lomas
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Hallam
Residence Place: Sheffield, Nether Hallam, Yorkshire, England
Sub registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 3793
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Lomas 38
Rose A Lomas 33 - Sheffield
Theresa Lomas 14
Sarah A Lomas 12
William T G Lomas 5
John Lomas 1
John Chapman 40


Parents' marriage;

Rose Ann Jepson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Rose Ann Jepson
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 502
Records on Page:
Name
Rose Ann Jepson
Henry Frederick Lomas

Emma in 1901 says she's a widow.

Could mean anything!

Just in case -

SEWELL, DOROTHY - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 332

I just found a Death in Sheffield for an Emma Sewell o/n/d 1946, age 73, approx birth year 1873- but didn’t say where born so may not be her - we lost her after 1901 Census when we found Evelyn Hood.
Maureen

Ancestry links that death to an Emma Sewell, married, nee Duffin.

Probate for that Emma:
she was a widow; administration granted to George William Sewell, rolling mill controller..

Emma Sewell
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Emma Sewell
Death Date: 2 Dec 1946
Death Place: Sheffield, England
Probate Date: 21 Jan 1947
Registry: Wakefield

Ancestry links her death to a married Emma Sewell, nee Duffin.

Emma Sewell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Emma Sewell
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Somcotes, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 9 Birdwell Rd Grimesthorpe
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Sheffield
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration district: East Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 27981
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sewell 40
Emma Sewell 38
George Sewell 11
Doris Sewell 10


Emma Duffin
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Emma Duffin
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Belper
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 1174
Records on Page:
Name
Emma Duffin
William Jesse Sewell

This is the son mentioned in probate:

SEWELL, GEORGE WILLIAM mms DUFFIN
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 609

Thanks for that, so still linking Emma Sewell as being Evelyn Hood.
Regards Maureen

Assuming Emma Sewell in Derbyshire in 1901 is the right person - we don't see her after 1901.

And we don't see Evelyn Hood before 1911.

So no proof, but it seems that between1901 and 1911 she may have been transforming into Evelyn Hood, and giving birth to Reuben.

Although, if Ivy is her daughter, the name Hood was involved from the time of Ivy's baptism in 1894

If the birth of Dorothy Sewell is correct, she was baptised as Ivy Dorothy Hood because living with William & Emma Hood? Perhaps Emma Sewell decided to adopt their name when she gave birth to Reuben?
Have sent for Ivy's marriage certificate in hope may shed some light.

Afraid I've found Emma from Derbyshire in 1911. She got married and moved back to Sheffield.

Emma
Last name Sewell
Marriage year 1901
Parish Holy Trinity
Place Matlock Bath
Spouse's first name Francis David
Spouse's last name Kidd


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14 Hereford St Sheffield, Ecclesall, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Francis D Kidd Head Married Male 46 1865 Cramford Derbyshire Fish And Chip Dealer
Transcription
Emma Kidd Wife Married Female 42 1869 Sheffield Yorks Assisting In The Business


Let us know if Ivy's M/C sheds any light on this mystery please Maureen. It's one of these ones that gets under your skin and I would love to find out who Evelyn was. Reuben as well, where is he?

Oh, bother!

We'll await the marriage cert, Maureen!

Oh dear - that seems to have blown it out of the water! I’ll post result of marriage certificate!
Regards Maureen

found Ivy D, Harry J Eileen N, John H, and Kathleen J M House all living Colesmead Rd, Riegate in 1946 . Don't know if that helps any. There is also a Sheila House there in 1960 , who was born in 1938. birth index seems to suggest Sheila and Kathleen mother was a Hood

Thank you Elizabeth - that is helpful. We found Ivy D House, Harry J House, Kenneth C, and Maureen R, all living at same address Colesmead Rd., Reigate on 1939 Register. Kathleen and Sheila's mother was indeed Ivy D House (nee Hood). Any additional information would be much appreciated, also any information about Evelyn Hood prior to the 1911 census (with Reuben Hood, son, born 1903). We know she married Joseph Gower in 1915 and later lived at Warwick Rd., Redhill.
Desperately looking for birth details for Ivy Dorothy Hood (we have her Baptism) and anything regarding Evelyn Hood - her Father is listed on her marriage to Joseph Gower as Thomas Hood, Saddler.
Regards Maureen

Hi, Have Marriage Certificate for marriage 15/8/1916 Harry James House (father Harry House dec) and Ivy Dorothy Hood (father William Hood dec) At the time of the Marriage they were both living at 3 Warwick Road, Redhill, with Evelyn (Hood) and her husband Joseph Gower! The witnesses were George Broughton and Joseph F Dight.
Their first child was Kathleen Matilda Joan House, b 1919 - have found her on Electoral Registers but can't find her anywhere on 1939 Register - although would think she was in Surrey? Know she died in 1965 and was buried with Evelyn and Joseph Gower in Redstone Cemetery, Surrey.
Still can't find the actual birth of Reuben Hood (1903 - Reading) nor anything prior to 1911 census for Evelyn Hood. Reuben says his father was Reuben Hood on his Marriage Cert in 1922 - but was it Edward James Smith as suggested on 1911 Census? Evelyn says her father Thomas Hood (saddler)on her Marriage Cert to Joseph Gower in 1915. She was living at time of marriage at Briars Cross, Limpsfield, and the witnesses were L.R. Smith and Irene Martin. Desperately trying to find the connection between Evelyn Hood, Ivy Dorothy Hood (House) and Kathleen Matilda Joan House.
Regards Maureen

There are two closed records along with Ivy D etc in 1939. One of those will be Kathleen, probably.

If Kathleen died in 1965, you would expect her record in 1939 to be open.

These are the only deaths I see for a Kathleen M J registered in 1965 and none of them appear to have been born in 1919.


Deaths Mar 1965 (>99%)
GRANT KATHLEEN M J 63 KIDDERMINSTER

Deaths Sep 1965 (>99%)
HOUSE KATHLEEN M J 86 Merton 5d 352

Deaths Dec 1965 (>99%)
BAILEY KATHLEEN M J 41 Surrey S.E. 5g 418

Ah. Apologies, just looked at the image on FMP and her age is given as 46 not 86 as in Freebmd

J
Last name HOUSE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1919
Age 46
Death quarter 3
Death year 1965
District Merton
County Surrey
Volume 5D
Page 352
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

Hi, thank you everyone for your input, especially Argyllgran. Well, with a bit of help from Rootschat, we now have some more info:-
We were so near, with 1871 Census, Emma Jane Sewell, aged 2, b Sheffield, daughter of the notorious Thomas Sewell, horse collar maker and Emily nee Bristow, and again in 1881, aged 12. Still can't find her in 1891, but in 1901 she was working as a servant in Kensington, shown as Everlyn Sewell, and as in 1911, she is stating b. Sheffield. So we were right until we found the other Emma Sewell who lived in Sheffield and married Kidd.
The consensus of opinion seems to be that Emma Jane Sewell was indeed Evelyn Hood, as the birth dates shown for Emma Jane Sewell J/A/S 1868 Sheffield Vol 9c page 436, and birth shown for Evelyn Hood on 1939 Register, 21st July 1868 tie up.
Also thought that Evelyn was mother of Ivy Dorothy Hood - baptised as parents William Hood and Emma (that part was right?) living at 80 Templeton Edmonton Tottenham Middx. On checking 1891 census for that property, appears that a William C Amos and his wife Eugenie M Amos lived there with their son Charles then. Would be good to find Emma/Everlyn on 1891 census!!! Therefore, Evelyn Hood would have been the grandmother of Kathleen Matilda Joan House (mothers maiden name Hood) It seems that Evelyn never married, prior to marrying Joseph Gower in 1915, but Ivy's father may well have been a William Hood Carpenter. Equally we don't know the father of Reuben Hood, Evelyn's son born 1903 (down as Reuben Hood on his marriage in 1922) Any more thoughts on this would be much appreciated.
Maureen

I wish we could find Reuben's birth.

There are no Hood / Sewell births 1901-5.
Several Sewell (unmarried) births, but no Reuben or anything similar.
None of the Reubens born in Berkshire 1901-5 have mms Sewell

I know, so frustrating - the answer must be there somewhere. Feel sure if we could find Emma/Evelyn 1891 Census May hold clue? Ivy Dorothy born 189:/4 DLston Midx, Emily Sewell (mother of Emma)born there. Evelyn being mother of Ivy, grandmother of Kathleen House would explain the close relationship - why Ivy and Harry were living with Evelyn and Josep Gower at time of their marriage and why Kathleen buried with her grandmother. Who was William Hood Carpenter - must have existed but they weren’t married - also need Reubens father. Where does the widowed Edward James Smith fit in?
Regards Maureen