Genealogy Chat

Wow thanks for all that! I’ll run it through my cousin in Australia when she wakes up, as all this puzzling us both. You could well be right. He was still alive when she had Reuben in 1903 but doubt he was father if said Reuben Hood. Don’t think she married either.

Thinking about William Hood, carpenter -

back on page 1, after Erika had found Ivy's baptism with parents William and Emma, I found this, which I'll post again here:

William Hood
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Hood
Gender: Male
Age: 60
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1831
Spouse: Emma Hood
Child: Edward Hood
Birth Place: Poulshot, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Twickenham
Residence Place: Twickenham, Middlesex, England
Sub registration district: Twickenham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 1026
Folio: 163
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hood 60 - carpenter
Emma Hood 63
Edward Hood 23


This was clearly not the right couple - too old.

However, looking at the family again, I see (in 1881) there was also a son William. In 1881 he's a builder's apprentice, but in 1891 (when he's in Richmond Union Workhouse for some reason) and in 1901, he's listed as a carpenter:

William Hood
in the 1881 England Census
Name: William Hood
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emma Hood
Gender: Male
Where born: Poulshot, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Richmond
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 11 Crown Ter
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carpenter
Registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Piece: 845
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hood 50 - carpenter
Emma Hood 50
William A. Hood 19 - builder's apprentice
Edward Jas. Hood 13


William Hood
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Hood - carpenter
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Relationship: Inmate
Birth Year: 1862
Birth Place: Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Richmond
Residence Place: Richmond, Richmond, Surrey, England
Sub registration district: Richmond
ED, Institution or Vessel: 28
Neighbors:
Piece: 622
Folio: 117


By 1901, he's also an officer in the workhouse:

William Hood
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William Hood
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Officer
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: Richmond Union Workhouse
Neighbors:
Piece: 677
Folio: 189
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hood 39 - workhouse officer, carpenter (single)


His death:

Deaths Jun 1907 (>99%)
Hood William 45 Richmond, S. 2a 272



Maybe Emma Jane made his acquaintance in 1892?

Thanks Argyllgran! mystery why they were there then! Too many mysteries in this one! Wonder why she morphed into Evelyn? Also who William Hood Carpenter was, equally Reubens father. Don’t think she married before Joseph Gower . Guess Reuben’s father could have been a Robin Hood. On Reuben Hoods marriage cert to Winifred Daisy Collins he says father Reuben Hood, Engineer, deceased. He was living at 3 Warwick Rd at that time with Evelyn and her husband Joseph Gower. Ivy Hoodand Harry House were also living there on their Marr cert in 1916. Ivy says father William Hood Dec. Farmer.

Another longshot - could Reuben's father have been Robin Hood?


Marriages Dec 1903

Addicott Amy Elizabeth Hungerford 2c 685

HOOD Robin Hungerford 2c 685



Deaths Jun 1906

Hood Robin 25 Newbury 2c 144



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Daisy Villas, 4, Newbury, Berkshire, England


Eliza Hood Head Married Female 47 1854 Thrigby, Norfolk, England -

Helen Susannah Hood Daughter Single Female 25 1876 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England -

>>>>>Robin Hood Son Single Male 20 1881 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Joiner

Thanks Argyllgran! W mystery why they were there then! Too many mysteries in this one! Wonder why she morphed into Evelyn? Also who William Hood Carpenter was, equally Reubens father. Don’t think she married before Joseph Gower

No, she wasn't:

Their marriage:

Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%)
FORD Elizabeth Hannah Reading 2c 632
Sims Joseph Charles Reading 2c 632

Births of the daughters listed on 1901 census:

SIMS, KATHLEEN EDITH mms FORD
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 361

SIMS, MAY mms FORD
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 341

Yes going up employment ladder - but would have given birth to Ivy Dorothy about 1893/4 (baptised 1894) Maybe her mother looked after Ivy as was visiting Sims family with Thomas and Emily (nee Bristol) in Reading 1901. Looking promising. Thanks for checking written entry as know errors do occur in transcription sometimes. Wonder if Joseph Sims wife was one of Thomas Sewells 20 offspring?

Emily in 1891 is a housemaid. Everlyn in 1901 is a parlourmaid.
Moving up the employment ladder?

I can't imagine AG would post info without checking the image, but................I have just done so, and it is very clearly EMILY

Could be her? If we could check the written entry rather than the typed may be written as Everlyn not Emily? Will try checking for an Emily in the other Censuses

A very long shot - just because she was a servant in Kensington in 1901 .

I don't see the birth of an Emily Sewell 1867-70 in Sheffield.

Emily Sewell
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Emily Sewell
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1867
Birth Place: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Islington
Residence Place: Highbury, Islington, London, England
Sub registration district: Highbury
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 173
Folio: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Nettlefield 40
Frances Nettlefield 44
Margaret Nettlefield 17
Murice Nettlefield 11
Emmeline Nettlefield 8
Stanley Nettlefield 6
Kate Mills 32
Emily Sewell 24 - housemaid
Ruth Hunt 33

I know, so frustrating - the answer must be there somewhere. Feel sure if we could find Emma/Evelyn 1891 Census May hold clue? Ivy Dorothy born 189:/4 DLston Midx, Emily Sewell (mother of Emma)born there. Evelyn being mother of Ivy, grandmother of Kathleen House would explain the close relationship - why Ivy and Harry were living with Evelyn and Josep Gower at time of their marriage and why Kathleen buried with her grandmother. Who was William Hood Carpenter - must have existed but they weren’t married - also need Reubens father. Where does the widowed Edward James Smith fit in?
Regards Maureen

I wish we could find Reuben's birth.

There are no Hood / Sewell births 1901-5.
Several Sewell (unmarried) births, but no Reuben or anything similar.
None of the Reubens born in Berkshire 1901-5 have mms Sewell

Hi, thank you everyone for your input, especially Argyllgran. Well, with a bit of help from Rootschat, we now have some more info:-
We were so near, with 1871 Census, Emma Jane Sewell, aged 2, b Sheffield, daughter of the notorious Thomas Sewell, horse collar maker and Emily nee Bristow, and again in 1881, aged 12. Still can't find her in 1891, but in 1901 she was working as a servant in Kensington, shown as Everlyn Sewell, and as in 1911, she is stating b. Sheffield. So we were right until we found the other Emma Sewell who lived in Sheffield and married Kidd.
The consensus of opinion seems to be that Emma Jane Sewell was indeed Evelyn Hood, as the birth dates shown for Emma Jane Sewell J/A/S 1868 Sheffield Vol 9c page 436, and birth shown for Evelyn Hood on 1939 Register, 21st July 1868 tie up.
Also thought that Evelyn was mother of Ivy Dorothy Hood - baptised as parents William Hood and Emma (that part was right?) living at 80 Templeton Edmonton Tottenham Middx. On checking 1891 census for that property, appears that a William C Amos and his wife Eugenie M Amos lived there with their son Charles then. Would be good to find Emma/Everlyn on 1891 census!!! Therefore, Evelyn Hood would have been the grandmother of Kathleen Matilda Joan House (mothers maiden name Hood) It seems that Evelyn never married, prior to marrying Joseph Gower in 1915, but Ivy's father may well have been a William Hood Carpenter. Equally we don't know the father of Reuben Hood, Evelyn's son born 1903 (down as Reuben Hood on his marriage in 1922) Any more thoughts on this would be much appreciated.
Maureen

Ah. Apologies, just looked at the image on FMP and her age is given as 46 not 86 as in Freebmd

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Last name HOUSE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1919
Age 46
Death quarter 3
Death year 1965
District Merton
County Surrey
Volume 5D
Page 352
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

If Kathleen died in 1965, you would expect her record in 1939 to be open.

These are the only deaths I see for a Kathleen M J registered in 1965 and none of them appear to have been born in 1919.


Deaths Mar 1965 (>99%)
GRANT KATHLEEN M J 63 KIDDERMINSTER

Deaths Sep 1965 (>99%)
HOUSE KATHLEEN M J 86 Merton 5d 352

Deaths Dec 1965 (>99%)
BAILEY KATHLEEN M J 41 Surrey S.E. 5g 418

There are two closed records along with Ivy D etc in 1939. One of those will be Kathleen, probably.

Hi, Have Marriage Certificate for marriage 15/8/1916 Harry James House (father Harry House dec) and Ivy Dorothy Hood (father William Hood dec) At the time of the Marriage they were both living at 3 Warwick Road, Redhill, with Evelyn (Hood) and her husband Joseph Gower! The witnesses were George Broughton and Joseph F Dight.
Their first child was Kathleen Matilda Joan House, b 1919 - have found her on Electoral Registers but can't find her anywhere on 1939 Register - although would think she was in Surrey? Know she died in 1965 and was buried with Evelyn and Joseph Gower in Redstone Cemetery, Surrey.
Still can't find the actual birth of Reuben Hood (1903 - Reading) nor anything prior to 1911 census for Evelyn Hood. Reuben says his father was Reuben Hood on his Marriage Cert in 1922 - but was it Edward James Smith as suggested on 1911 Census? Evelyn says her father Thomas Hood (saddler)on her Marriage Cert to Joseph Gower in 1915. She was living at time of marriage at Briars Cross, Limpsfield, and the witnesses were L.R. Smith and Irene Martin. Desperately trying to find the connection between Evelyn Hood, Ivy Dorothy Hood (House) and Kathleen Matilda Joan House.
Regards Maureen

Thank you Elizabeth - that is helpful. We found Ivy D House, Harry J House, Kenneth C, and Maureen R, all living at same address Colesmead Rd., Reigate on 1939 Register. Kathleen and Sheila's mother was indeed Ivy D House (nee Hood). Any additional information would be much appreciated, also any information about Evelyn Hood prior to the 1911 census (with Reuben Hood, son, born 1903). We know she married Joseph Gower in 1915 and later lived at Warwick Rd., Redhill.
Desperately looking for birth details for Ivy Dorothy Hood (we have her Baptism) and anything regarding Evelyn Hood - her Father is listed on her marriage to Joseph Gower as Thomas Hood, Saddler.
Regards Maureen

found Ivy D, Harry J Eileen N, John H, and Kathleen J M House all living Colesmead Rd, Riegate in 1946 . Don't know if that helps any. There is also a Sheila House there in 1960 , who was born in 1938. birth index seems to suggest Sheila and Kathleen mother was a Hood