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England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932

First name(s) Nicholas
Last name Deros
Year 1929
Season -
Polling district or place Great Burstead
Constituency P C of Essex, South-Eastern Division
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Essex, South-Eastern Division
County Essex
Country England
Register type Parliamentary County
Archive
The British Library


Living with Helen Deros at 'The Laurels', Kennel Rd.



England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932


First name(s) Nicholas
Last name Deros
Year 1928
Season -
Polling district or place Great Burstead
Constituency P C of Essex, South-Eastern Division
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Essex, South-Eastern Division
County Essex
Country England
Register type Parliamentary County
Archive
The British Library


With Helen at 'The Laurels.'



England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932


Year of death: 1955
First name(s) Nicholas
Last name Deros
Year 1927
Season -
Polling district or place South Hanningfield
Constituency P C of Essex, Chelmsford Division
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Essex, Chelmsford Division
County Essex
Country England
Register type Parliamentary County
Archive
The British Library



Living with Helen at 'Plantation Cottage.'

Thank you and apologies again for the mix up :-)

Yes that's correct.

(I know you meant me and not Rose! Thanks for your apology!)

Yes Robert and Elizabeth could have had other children, I suppose. The 3 we know about are the only ones showing with the parents on ERs, but others might have been living independently.

I don't see deaths of any Mills with mms Melrose, but if they died before 1974 SP may not have added the mms yet.
Or maybe they didn't die in Scotland, or are still living.

Hi Rose

just to make sure I have understood this correctly, could you please confirm I have picked up this information okay

Robert Melrose Born 1872 son of James Melrose and Janet McIntosh married Elizabeth Taylor in 1906 Cookney Kincardineshire. They had at least 3 children:

Robert junior who was POW WW2 DOB unknown

Margaret Taylor Melrose born 1910 married Andrew Alexander Bain in 1964 died 1998 aged 87

Muriel Melrose born 1925 married Francis Buchana Mills in 1949 and died age 68 in 1994.

So it is possible Robert Melrose senior and Elizabeth Taylor had more children.

Margaret Taylor Melrose would have been 54 when she married so would not have had any children.

Muriel and Francis could have children

Robert Junior could have married and had children.

Thank you very much

Apologies the information posted about Jemima and Mark Sumner was discovered by Alviegal and not Maddie.
Everyone has been really helpful.

Thank you. This is all so helpful. The In memoriam is interesting as this confirms that The McDonald's only had the one son. My Aunt talked about Cousin Tony so that must be him. The Mrs De Ros was my Grandmother.
It is amazing how the smallest piece of information can play such a large part in the puzzle.

Haven't read all through 'Thread', but saw below...

Chris :)

09 May 1939 - Aberdeen Press and Journal - Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire

DEATHS
MACKIE - At Hospital Cottage. Crimond (the residence of his son). William Mackie, aged 80 years, late of Logie Lodge, Lonmay. Funeral to Lonmay Churchyard on Thursday, 11th inst., at 1.30 p.m. No flowers by request. All friends respectfully invited.


10 September 1921 - Aberdeen Press and Journal - Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire

TRACTION ENGINE OFFENCES. In Peterhead Sheriff Court Yesterday, William Mackie, traction engine-driver, Logie Lodge, was charged with having driven a traction engine with two waggons attached...


16 November 1951 - Aberdeen Evening Express - Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire

IN MEMORIAM
M'Donald - In loving memory of our dear sister, Chrissie Melrose M'Donald, who died on Nov. 16, 1950, also her dear Husband. Anthony M’Donald, who died very suddenly on May 20. 1951, both late of 179 Mid Stocket Road.
Not just to-day, but every day
We remember them —
lnserted by her Sisters and Son Tony; Mina - Mrs Sumner, 88 Great Western Road, Nellie - Mrs. de-Ros, Billericay, Essex.


21 May 1951 - Aberdeen Evening Express - Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,

Death
M'Donald - At woodend Hospital. Aberdeen, on May 20. 1951. Anthony M'Donald. aged 69 years. Cremation private.


Burial Register summary

MacKie William
Burial date 11 May 1939
Location Aberdeenshire

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(credits needed to view)



British Army Casualty Lists 1939-1945

First name(s) J
Last name Mackay
Year 1942-43
Service number 2822444
Rank Private
Rank as transcribed Pte
Regiment Seaforth Highlanders
Regiment as transcribed Seaforth Highlanders
Theatre of war Western Desert, Middle East
Archive reference WO 417/55
(Expeditionary Force. Middle East. Western Desert. Killed In Action, then written, The above entry should be deleted, not a Battle Casualty)


Edits (for New Zealand, below Son of Gavin)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19440105.2.2.3?query=gavin melrose&phrase=2&snippet=true


https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2375713/melrose,-gavin-emslie/

(CWGC entry)


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD19420606.2.14.2?query=gavin melrose&phrase=2&snippet=true

(Daughter Helen)


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

(useful link for NZ)


Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

1925, New Zealand (Ship Name, Suffolk)
(Melrose, Gavin E., Evelyn, Helen M., Gavin E., Jessie. Last address, 8, Granton Place, Aberdeen. occ. Motorman)


https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search

(above for Births, Marriages, Deaths)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_XX-B

(R. Melrose, was in Camp 20B. Marienburg)

Hello Maddie

Thank you very much for the information regarding Jemima Sumner nee Melrose. In 1929 both Jemima and her husband Mark are registered at the Laurels Kennel Road, Billericay . This is very interesting as this is also one of the addresses for my grandparents, Helen Fitzgerald de Ros nee Melrose and Nicholas Fitzgerald de Ros. Can you see if my grandparents are also listed at that address at that time please. I presume it was their place of residence and not just a visit. This would explain why i have so many photographs of them all together in Billericay. The odd thing is in the photo's taken in Billericay the Sumners have a young child with them - probably about 18 months to 2 years and yet i know they had at least i other child as there is also a photograph circa 1921 taken in Scotland outside my great grandparents home in which my grandmother is holding my dad as a baby in her arms and so is Jemima.

Thank you

Thank you so much that definitely gives me something to go on. I had started to message any one called Robert Melrose who looked about my age and lived in Scotland on Facebook in the vague hope they might be related. I will go on SP as you suggested and follow up.

Thank you again

Logie Lodges:

https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/200341513-logie-lodges-lonmay#.XX1k9WbTXcs


There was a William Mckie or McKey at Logie Lodge in 1932 - I wonder if that's just a mis-spelling? Or no relation at all:
https://www.dhi.ac.uk/carpenter/ead.jsp?afn=LogieLodge


There were no McKays there on the 1940 Valuation Roll:

Re Private J Mckay in the address book -

he's listed on the forces-war-records site - but can't find anything else for him. WW2 records are still with the MOD:

J MacKay 2822444 Private 1942 (Record year ) Seaforth Highlanders


Rresumably he's a son of Mrs E McKay of Logie Lodges, Lonmay - in the address book.

Muriel's death:

MELROSE [ also listed as Mills ]
MURIEL
68
mms TAYLOR
1994
300/ 451
Aberdeen


Her marriage:

MELROSE
MURIEL
MILLS
FRANCIS BUCHANA(n)
1949
168/1 313
Aberdeen Northern District

Presumably her name wasn't removed from the Aberdeen ER in time for the 1950 listing.



One of these will be her birth:

MELROSE
MURIEL
F
1925
168/3 728
Rubislaw


MELROSE
MURIEL
F
1925
168/1 1671
St Nicholas

Re Margaret T Melrose - possible marriage:

MELROSE
MARGARET TAYLOR
ANDREW
ALEXANDER BAIN
1964
168/3 218
Aberdeen Eastern District


Her birth:

MELROSE
MARGARET TAYLOR
F
1910
168/2 930
St Machar


Her death:

MELROSE [ also listed as Andrew ]
MARGARET TAYLOR
87
mms TAYLOR
1998
300/ 682
Aberdeen


Probably her parents' marriage:

MELROSE
ROBERT
TAYLOR
ELIZABETH
1906
258/2 3
Cookney (Kincardineshire )

Presumably that Robert is the one born 1872, son of James Melrose and Janet McIntosh.

Robert the soldier in WW2 will be the son of Robert 1872.

Re Gnr R Melrose in the address book -

In 1950 the following Melroses are at 8a Mount Street:

Elizabeth, Margaret T, Muriel, and Robert.
Robert has S against his name, which indicates he was in the servies.


In 1955, Elizabeth, Margaret T, and Robert are at that address. No Muriel.


Robert was a POW during WW2

R. Melrose
in the UK, Allied Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: R. Melrose
Rank: Pte.
Military Date: 1939-1945
Regiment: R.A.M.C.
Service Number: 7357769
Source Description: 1: Imperial Prisoners of War Held in Germany or German-Occupied Territory: British Army

Re the addresses in your aunt's address book -

as Maddie has shown, Mrs M Sumner will be Jemima.

Mrs McDonald will be Christina:

Chrissie McDonald [ and Anthony ]
in the Aberdeen City and Former Counties of Aberdeenshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1976
Name: Chrissie McDonald
Record Type: Electoral Roll
Residence Year: 1950
Street address: Mid Stocket Road 179 <<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Place: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Parliamentary County of Aberdeen; Kincardine: Aberdeen City South Division

The son Anthony's death:

MCDONALD
ANTHONY
61
mms MELROSE
1993
301/ 189
Aberdeen


so this will be his birth:

MCDONALD
ANTHONY
M
1932
266/ 25
Nigg and Banchory Devenick


If you look at his death cert, you'll be able to find out if he married or not - and if so, possibly his child (if any) might be the informant. You'd have to buy a copy for £12 through SP - it's too recent to be viewable online.

Re Christina -
I'm, sure I posted this before - maybe on the deleted thread?

To recap for our reference:

Birth:
MELROSE
CHRISTINA MARY
F
1892
209/ 2
Kincardine O'Neil (Aberdeen)


Marriage:

MELROSE
CHRISTINA MARY
MCDONALD
ANTHONY
1922
266/ 4
Nigg (Kincardine)


The only way to know if Anthony had been married before is to look at the marriage cert (6 credits on SP ) and see what info that gives.

Christina's death:

MELROSE [ also listed as McDonald ]
CHRISTINA MARY
58
1950
168/1 1299
Aberdeen Northern District


Possibly Anthony's death - just because it's in the same reg district as Christina's, but again, you'd have to see the death cert to be sure - another 6 credits on SP.

MCDONALD
ANTHONY
69
1951
168/1 711
Aberdeen Northern District

Death


SUMNER

JEMIMA ANN

64


1953

168/1 1401

Aberdeen Northern District

England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932

First name(s) Jemima Ann
Last name Sumner
Year 1929
Season -
Polling district or place Great Burstead
Constituency P C of Essex, South-Eastern Division
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Essex, South-Eastern Division
County Essex
Country England
Register type Parliamentary County


Living with Mark Sumner at 'The Laurels', Kennel Rd.

Name: Mrs Jemima A Sumner
Record Type: Parliamentary and Municipal Registers
Residence Year: 1935-1936
Street address: Chapel Street 91
Residence Place: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Aberdeen

Name: Jemima A Sumner
Record Type: Electoral Roll
Residence Year: 1950
Street address: Great Western Road 88
Residence Place: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Parliamentary County of Aberdeen; Kincardine: Aberdeen City South Division