Genealogy Chat

Wow. Thank u so much.
Is the marriage of my grandad benniah gasper anywhere. Nans name was florance rosario. Would love to find her parents too. Xxxx

Can u tell me how I can find out my grandads siblings 12 children's children. ....
There's 12 of them so there must be so many.
Xxxx

I don't think my grandparents were married !!!! :-( :-S

Something which I didn't notice last night was on the baptism of Antony Frederic son of Frederick and Rebecca in 1916 , it was an adult baptism, age 20 years, being baptised as a Catholic "from Protestantism".

No sign on FMP of a marriage for Benniah, but that might just be because the records don't go that far.

Frederick Adolphus death ( pneumonia)


First name(s) Frederick Adolphus
Last name Gasper
Birth year 1851
Death date 22 Dec 1906
Death year 1906
Age 55
Burial date 22 Dec 1906
Place Lucknow
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-337
Folio -
Page 249
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office Deaths & Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Also on same page is a Robert Gasper ( perhaps Frederick's son??) who died on the 2nd Dec age 20 from 'pthysis' ( pulmonary tuberculosis or a similar progressive wasting disease.)

Possibly a child of Frederick and Rebecca, but died at one day old ( premature birth) and no parents named


First name(s) Rebecca
Last name Gasper
Birth year 1904
Death date 08 Mar 1904
Death year 1904
Age 1D
Burial date 08 Mar 1904
Place Allahabad
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-315
Folio -
Page 186
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set British India Office Deaths & Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

As Benniah Wolfe Gaspar died in North Walsham, I assume this is Florence's death:


Florence Marie Gasper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Florence Marie Gasper
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 11 Feb 1911
Registration Date: May 1991
Registration district: North Walsham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1600

Mary Olive Gasper? no image though

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms

First name(s) Mary Philomena Olive
Last name Gaspar
Birth year 1935
Birth date 1935
Baptism year 1935
Baptism date 1935
Place Secunderabad,St Mary
Presidency Madras
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Gaspar
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-2-159
Folio 121
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

I don't know if this child is part of the same family or not. Not in Madras, so maybe not:


Marie Theresa Gaspar
in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
Name: Marie Theresa Gaspar
Gender: Female
Age: 1
Birth Date: 1932
Death Date: 4 Nov 1933
Burial Date: 4 Nov 1933
Burial Place: Mandalay, Bengal, India
FHL Film Number: 526970

Frederick & Rebecca's grandchildren (per the Ancestry tree):


Sarah's children:


James Henry Albert Parker
1901–
Birth 12/08/1901 • Madras, India
Death Unknown



Noel Howard Lithgow Parker
1903–1985
Birth 1 DEC 1903 • India
Death AUG 1985 • Camberwell, London, England
Christening
1 Jan 1904 • vepery, Madras, India



Basil Parker
1907–
Birth 14 JUN 1907 • India
Death Unknown



Stanislaus parker
Birth Madras, India
Death Unknown
Arrival
2 Mar 1950 • London, England
Departure
Sydney, Australia
Spouse:
Mary molly
Birth india
Death Unknown



Charlotte's many children to follow . . . . .

Ohhhh thank u.......
So much info.
I wonder why we can't get info on my nan. They must have been married !!
On their headstone as they are together he is gasper and she is rosario.
Would love to find things about her. Will be ringing my aunt olive this evening cause she has never known anything whenever I've asked her...
Thank u so much. Xxx

Charlotte's children;


anna josephine johnson (annie)
1898–1980
Birth 4 OCTOBER 1898 • calcutta india
Death 8 JUNE 1980 • northampton uk



Mary Mabel Johnson
1899–
Birth 1899 • India
Death India
Marriage
2nd December 1914 • india
alfred theodore mcdonald
(1893–1926)
Child:
alice mary mcdonald (married James Sweeney)
Birth india
Death uk



Alfred Joseph Johnson
1900–1931
Birth 1900 • india
Death 7 JUNE 1931 • calcutta india
Marriage
20 september 1925 • howrah india
married to Mary when she was 15 years old.
mary florence manuel (1910–)
Child:
Paulinus Anthony Johnson
1927–1927
Birth 1927 • India
Death 29 AUG 1927 • madras india




Alice Rebecca Johnson
1903–
Birth 1903 • india
Death India
First marriage: 21st May 1919 • Bowbazar Bengal India
Bertie was 20 years old, Alice the bride was 16, Witnesses were Alfred Johnson, brides father, and Albert Prowling, Grooms father.
Bertram Prowling (1899–1923)

Second marriage: Marriage
25th Aug 1927 • Calcutta, West Bengal, India
Richard Willy O'Connor (1901–)




francis johnson
1904–
Birth 13 NOVEMBER 1904 • india
Death Unknown




Antonia Clare Johnson ( Antionette)
1906–1932
Birth 1906 • India
Death 30/03/1932 • India
Marriage
20 september 1922 • Calcutta, West Bengal, India
married to Walter aged 63, she aged 17 both listed as widowed.
Walter Prosperous Douyere (1859–1932)

Second marriage to someone named Blackwell - no details given.



christiana mary josephine johnson
1908–1909
Birth 18 DECEMBER 1908 • lahore
Death 04/05/1909 • India




agnes charlotte johnson
1910–
Birth 26 MARCH 1910 • madras india
Death Unknown
Marriage
23rd September 1931 • Calcutta, West Bengal, India
george joseph Roberts (1906–)
Children:

Philip Roberts
1934–1934
Birth 1934 • india
Death 25TH MAY 1934 • india


Doris roberts
1935–1935
Birth 1935 • india
Death 29 MARCH 1935 • india

Also Mary, Frederick, and Patrick Roberts, all born India, no other details given.



Charlotte Johnson, nee Gaspar, had a second marriage, per the tree, to someone named Lewis, born India, no other details.

Wonder why he was 20 when he was baptised ....

Maybe he got ill then pulled through.
Can't understand the so many baby deaths.....really sad xxxx :-(

Change of religion Serena, he was baptised into the Catholic church aged 20, I would guess that this was possibly because he wanted to marry a Catholic girl , though it could just have been that he felt that was the religious path he wanted to follow :-)

Sadly finding infant deaths is terribly common when searching, all the diseases like TB that we can now treat were killers for adults and children., and in India there would have been other diseases also like malaria. if you're interested in general background, there's this page on health in British India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763662/

Argullgran thank u for all this info....
Antonio was 17 when she married a 63 year old ?? Omg.......
??????????????
Awfull... there were young marriages. I know here in uk the law for minimum age used to be girls 13 boys 12.......shocking now.... but then it was normal back then. Poor kids eh..... xxxxx

Nyc .... all thr family were catholics . It's just weird..
Awww yeah its awfull. So many !!!

Yes oh I will have a look at that. It would be very interesting thank u. Xxxx

Why would there be no info on my nan do u think. ?? Xxxx

Records would be held locally and not all will have been transcribed and put online unfortunately, but I've just been looking at Find my past records so there may be records on other sites I don't have subs to.

Just noticed - (mildly interesting!) -
Benniah and Florence's deaths were close together - both registered in May 1991.

I noticed that ArgyllGran,

On the Ancestry tree does it mention this marriage? no way of knowing if it might be related though, could be the John father of John who married Sarah Christiana?

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

"Certificates forwarded from other stations"
First name(s) John
Last name Gasper ( Drummer of the 29th NI)
Marriage year 1816
Marriage date 25 May 1816
Spouse's first name Anna ( on image "Anna a N: Woman"...Native?
Spouse's last name -
Place Meerut
Presidency Bengal
Groom's father's first name -
Groom's father's last name -
Bride's father's first name -
Bride's father's last name -
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-10
Folio number 71
Entry number 5
Record set British India Office Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

Yes my nan and pop died in about a few weeks of each other. Really sad.
And my other nan died within a week of them both too. So there were 3 deaths within a few weeks.
Can u send a link to the site which may hold the info or the Web address.
Ohhhh could be johns father might it..... xxxxx

Nyx -
no, that marriage isn't on the tree.

It says that the father of John (1820) was another John, but doesn't give his mother's name.

Apparently John 1820 had a sister:


ann lous [Louisa ?? ] gasper
1829–
Birth 1829 • india
Death Unknown
First marriage:
24 December 1841 • Mercara Madras India
Joseph Gunnell

Second marriage:
14 Mar 1844 • India
to Benjamin Lowe . She is aged 15, and he 20, a widow.

Child:

Benjamin Evan Lowe
1846–
Birth 1ST NOVEMBER 1846 • Madras India
Death Unknown