Genealogy Chat

My mum was raised in the orphanage known as cottage Homes in Fazackerley
Near Liverpool. She was put in there aged two when her dad did a runner.
Her mum worked as a housekeeper in Wigan.
I was able to take mum to see the place on her 80th Birthday.
Its now been taken over by various organisations.
I knew my granma, but not granddad.
Mum also got to meet a sister while she was in there. I was later
Named after her.
But now l have this hole in my tree and dont know who to contact
To get mums records, if that is possible.
Hope someone can advise me

well, start by finding your mum's birth registration, get the name of her father

Then you can start working back.

Also Google Cottage Homes, and see if there are any surviving records.


We can help you find your mum's birth registration and any such records,including any siblings.

You will have to do the Google search and contact the homes yourselfyourself


What was your mother's name?

Hi and Thanks for the reply.
My mum was born in Wigan in Oct 1920. Her Father was called
Thomas and Married my grandmother in Oswestry in 1918..
I have their marriage certificate.
To complicate matters my mum also had a brother who l grew up knowing.
But he was down as Grandson on the 1911 census of my gt grandparents.
My grandmother was in domestic service.
I have no idea if my mum and her siblings share the same father.
Its all these questions l hope to answer.
I have looked at cottage homes many times. It only refers to the time before my
Mum lived there. I dont know what name it went under when mum was there.
I have never seen it mentioned anywhere. Why didn'5tml do all this while mum was alive !

OK

If we are to help you, we need the name of your Mum so that we can try to trace her.

Re her brother who you say is on the 1911 as Grandson ..............

Your grandmother was not married to your grandfather until 1918, and your mother was then born in 1920


The brother must therefore be a half-brother ................... either born illegitimately to your grandmother or to her in a first marriage.

Again, we need his name, and the name of his grandparents and of your grandmother so that we can help you.

Well my FIL was put in a home in 1906 his parents weren't married but the dad was a commercial traveller who moved around with his job but supported the famiiy . Somwhere along the line they separated .

Dad always thought he went into Barnardos but they had no record of him

It took a lot of looking ,and ringing up homes in the area he lived in Birmingham to finally track him to the Kings Norton Cottage Homes

These were run by the Poor Law Union and later taken over by the local council . I contacted them and was passed around a bit but was finally passed to a lady in the social services admin who said she would look up the info but it wouldn't be quick

It took some time for the council to come back and tell us he had been in the home with just a small synopsis of his time in there . Looking into their archives wasn't a priority for their time

So I would say .get the birth cert, and then try googling for cottage homes in the area and then contact the archives who may have records

Be prepared though for long waits for any responses

This may help

http://www.formerchildrenshomes.org.uk/fazakerley.html

Yes that is where my mother was placed. Apparently boys where one side of the road, girls the other. Then placed in the appropriate house according to their age.
Mum says they used to go camping at Aintree racecourse.
I knew my grandmother and mums siblings when l was growing up.
But what l want to know is who l actually write to for information.
I did send a detailed letter to what l thought was a records office, but was told it was
The wrong place.
I will collate the info you need. And write in again.
To give you something to think about. On my grandmothers marriage
Certificate her husband was described as PTE # 552818 16th batt S Lancs Reg
Thanks
Coal miner.
Address at time of marriage was Prescot Watch Factory in Liverpool

My grandmothers name was Emily May Oakley born Forden Montgomery.1892 Her husband was Thomas Pickavance 1899 wigan. my mum Doris Mary was born in Wigan 1920
Grans Parents where Thomas and Emma Oakley whose Grandson Edward
Thomas Oakley was born 1911.
I have no record at all of when or where my mums older suster Dorothy was born.
But her accent was northern.
I think l may have traced my mums father to Chorley where he died of t.b. around 1945.
Although l'm not sure because l can't find anything about him since the wedding.

I know you have some, if not all, of these, but I'm posting them to aid the helpers ...........

Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
Oakley Emily M Pickavance Oswestry 6a 1410
Pickavance Thomas Oakley Oswestry 6a 1410

There were 2 children born to the marriage, both in Wigan ........

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Pickavance Doris M Oakley Wigan 8c 62

Births Dec 1921 (>99%)
Pickavance Harriett A Oakley Wigan 8c 246


It looks as though Harriett died in 1924 .............

Deaths Jun 1924 (>99%)
Pickavance Harriet A 2 Wigan 8c 104




Thomas Edward (or Edward Thomas) the Grandson, born in 1910 ..........

1911 Census

Name: Edward Thomas Oakley
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Grand Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Oswestry, Salop, England
Civil Parish: Llanymynech
Search Photos: Search for 'Llanymynech' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: Upper House Cottage, Pant, Llanymynech S O, Mont
Registration district: Oswestry
Registration District Number: 350
Sub-registration district: Knockin
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 16120

Thomas Oakley 43
Emma Oakley 40
Herbert Oakley 14
William Oakley 12
John Oakley 8
Agnes Annie Oakley 4
Evelyn Maud Oakley 1
Edward Thomas Oakley 1

The image says that Emma had been married 20 years, had 9 children and 7 were still alive.



This looks as if it is the marriage registration for Thomas and Emma, as Forden is on the border of Shropshire and Montgomeryshire

Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)

Goodwin Emma Forden 11b 245
Oakley Thomas Forden 11b 245


Children of Thomas and Emma .............

OAKLEY, EDITH ANN GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in FORDEN Volume 11B Page 198

Died ...........
OAKLEY, EDITH ANNIE 5 months
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in FORDEN Volume 11B Page 153


OAKLEY, EMILY MAY GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in FORDEN Volume 11B Page 167

OAKLEY, MARY ELLEN GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 06A Page 652

OAKLEY, ALBERT THOMAS GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 06A Page 584

OAKLEY, WILLIAM GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in ELLESMERE Volume 06A Page 706

OAKLEY, JOHN HENRY GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in ELLESMERE Volume 06A Page 730

OAKLEY, EDWARD GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in OSWESTRY Volume 06A Page 663

Died ...........
OAKLEY, EDWARD 11 months
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in OSWESTRY Volume 06A Page 419


OAKLEY, AGNES ANNIE GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in OSWESTRY Volume 06A Page 661

OAKLEY, EVELINE MAUD GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in OSWESTRY Volume 06A Page 637

OAKLEY, STANLEY NEWELL GOODWIN
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in OSWESTRY Volume 06A Page 1133

I wonder if this is the older child Dorothy ...............

OAKLEY, DOROTHY MAY -
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 984

no mother's maiden name, therefore illegitimate.



You'd have to buy the birth certificate to see if the mother was indeed Emily May, and to see if a father was named.

If Thomas Pickavance really was born in Wigan, then this looks like him with his parents in 1901 .......

1901 Census

Name: Thomas Pickavance
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: John Pickavance
Mother: Clara Pickavance
Birth Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Search Photos: Search for 'Wigan' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 25

Piece: 3555
Folio: 82
Page Number: 7
Household schedule number: 36

John Pickavance 24 b.ca 1877, Wigan, Coal Miner Hewer
Clara Pickavance 25 b.ca 1876, Wigan
George Pickavance 3
Thomas Pickavance 2
Fred Leck 30 Lodger
Edwin Leck 21 Lodger
James Leck 18 Lodger

Address:- 28 Ormandy House

Emily May in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Emily M Oakley
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Thomas Oakley
Mother: Emma Oakley
Birth Place: Chirbury, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Baschurch
Search Photos: Search for 'Baschurch' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Baschurch
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Baschurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Piece: 2551
Folio: 80
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 63

Thomas Oakley 34
Emma Oakley 29
Emily M Oakley 8
Mary E Oakley 6
Alberth S Oakley 3
William Oakley 1



and in 1911 ...... it IS Emily May on the image. Plus someone has written that she had 1 child and then it has been crossed out. Her birthplace looks more like Condover???

1911 Census

Name: Emily Ivy Oakley
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Corhoor, Salop, England
Civil Parish: Prestwich
Search Photos: Search for 'Prestwich' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Egerton Rodge Prestwich
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Servant (Domestie)
Registration district: Prestwich
Registration District Number: 467
Sub-registration district: Prestwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 24209

Samuel Warburton 76 Collery Proprietor
Mary Ann Warburton 55 Wife
Emily Ivy Oakley 20


The address is Edgerton Lodge, and they had 22 rooms!!

"On my grandmothers marriage Certificate her husband was described as PTE # 552818 16th batt S Lancs Reg"



so he must have joined up .....................

unfortunately only about 30% of the WW1 records have survived, and I cannot see his among them

Did you click on the info down the page on that website I posted to go to this page

http://www.formerchildrenshomes.org.uk/accessing_records.html

Reference to Samuel Warburton 1911 above.

Chris :)

06 April 1927 - Leeds Mercury - Leeds, West Yorkshire, England

YORKSHIRE WOMAN MINE-OWNER.
Mary Ann Warburton, who died on Monday of heart disease, accelerated by a fall down four stairs, and fracturing a leg,on January 15th, at her home in Welbeck-road, Southport. She was the widow of Samuel Warburton, Egerton Lodge, Bury Old-road, Manchester, and partner in the firm of Crawshaw and Warburton. Riding Collieries, Dewsbury. She was 72 years old.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/prescot-watch-factory-development-100-year-old-9429628

(reference, watch factory)

Not sure who was the Soldier?...(Pickavance or Oakley, getting a bit confused, lol)

Chris :)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

(looking round on above, there was below)

Marriage: 7 Sep 1940 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Joseph Mullen - 20, Soldier, Bachelor, 8 William Street
Doris Mary Pickavance - 19, Mill Hand, Spinster, 122 Sandy Lane
Groom's Father: John Thomas Mullen, Collier
Bride's Father: Thomas Pickavance, (deceased), Labourer
Witness: John Thomas Mullen; William Thomas
Married by Banns by: Eric O. Beard, Asst.Curate of S.Faith, Gt Crosby, Liverpool
Register: Marriages 1935 - 1946, Page 134, Entry 268
Source: LDS Film 93751



Marriage: 30 Jan 1897 St James, Poolstock, Wigan, Lancs.
John Pickavance - 20, Collier, Bachelor, 10 Ormandey's House
Clara Leek - 21, Spinster, 19 Ormandey's House
Bride's Father: Thomas Leek, Bricksetter
Witness: Robert Hughes; Katie Shields
Married by Banns by: E. L. Bull, Curate
Register: Marriages 1888 - 1902, Page 136, Entry 272
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives



Baptism: 30 Aug 1899 St James, Poolstock, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Pickervance - [Child] of John Pickervance & Clara
Born: 27 Mar 1899
Abode: 8 Ormandy's Houses
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: E. L. Bull Curate
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


Baptism: 30 Oct 1901 St James, Poolstock, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Pickervance - [Child] of John Pickervance & Clara
Born: 20 Sep 1901
Abode: Ormandy's House
Occupation: Miner
Baptised by: E. L. Bull Curate
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/

(seen above mentioned before, for things Wigan)

If you look for Thomas Pickavance on 1939 census there is one living in Chorley, born 1899, with an Elizabeth A Pickavance, and a closed record.

This marriage?
Marriages Sep 1923
Arrowsmith Elizabeth A Pickavance Chorley 8e 1320
Pickavance Thomas Arrowsmith Chorley 8e 1320

One son showing for that marriage, born 1925.

OMG so much to take in.
I'llreply best l can with the info l have.
Re; Joe Mullen above, as if life hadnt been rough enough for mum.
Joe was mums first husband but died in Burma during the War. I have a beautiful wedding photo of them.
I'm happy you found Joe, l couldn't

Mums dad was born in Wigan and John and Clara where his parents.

I dont think the Dorothy Noted is the correct one.

Really stumped over Harriet 1921, d1924.
Mum was placed in the home in Fazakerley when she was 2. 1922
Gran then had to work as a housekeeper in Billinge Wigan.
If there was a Harriet did gran keep her or did she go into the home too.

I did follow the link and saud that it was the same place mum went.
The problem now is accessing records. One link seems to link to another
Until l'm at Lancashire records which seems a huge area.

Thank you all for your help its so exciting.
I moved to Wales almost 40 years ago.
My gran had moved back here and l also had relatives in Wrexham and Oswestry.
When l started Doing genealogy l was shocked to find that Grans parents
Lived just a few miles from me originally. And l find ancestors that lived all around
Where i am now. Makes me feel very much at home.

I will check out Samuel Warburton in the 1911 census in the hope of getting
Grans details for that year

Your mother 1939:

Eatock Household (6 People) 45 Moss Lane , Hindley U.D., Lancashire, England

William Eatock 22 May 1897 Male Colliery Dirt Packer (Below) Heavy Worker Married
Edith Eatock 12 Sep 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Edith Melia (Birchall) 17 Sep 1921 Female Derby Tenter- Cotton Spinning Single
Closed Record
Elizabeth Wilson (Eatock) 18 Sep 1931 Female At School Single
Patrick Rush ? ? 1876 Male Cowman Incapacitated Single
Doris M Bate (Mullen,Pickering) 27 Oct 1920 Female Setter- On Card Room Cotton Spinning Single

(Pickering crossed out on image with Pickavance written above)