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Here are James and Marian in 1891 .... seemingly pretending they are not married

1891 Census

Name: James Rowe
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: St Germains, Pornwall
[St Germains]
[Cornwall]
[England]
Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Abbotts
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Piece: 18
Folio: 77
Page Number: 7

George S Goldie 24 K.C.M.G. Living on Own Means >>>>> James Rowe 29 Single, Footman
Chelyn Ralph 18
>>>>>> Marion Burgess 30 b.ca 1861, Southampton, Hampshire, Single, Servant, Ladies Maid
Jane Hartridge 23
Fanny Burgess 23
Alice Edwards 26
Henry Russell 20
Caroline Russell 20

Address:- 18 Cornwall Gdns


a Public Family Tree shows a child born to James and Marian Rowe in 1888

Sorry greyghost, I thought it was 1857
regards
Sue

???

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) ALICE MAUD M
Last name ROWE
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ST. GERMANS
County Cornwall
Country England
Volume 5C
Page 37

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Grove Terrace, Fulham, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Rowe Head Married Male 38 1863 Bus Conductor St Germans, Cornwall,
Marian Rowe Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Hampshire, England
Alice M M Rowe Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - St Germans, Cornwall, England
Mabel H J Rowe Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - London, England
James B Rowe Son Single Male 2 1899 - London, England
Daisy F Burgess Niece Single Female 17 1884 Dressmaker Fulham, Middlesex, England
Mabel G Jackson Boarder Single Female 23 1878 School Governess United States
William Bowyer Boarder Single Male 27 1874 Lift Man Weston, Cambridgeshire, England
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1901 Census

Name: James Rowe
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Marian Rowe
Birth Place: St Germans, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Fulham
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North East Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 25

Piece: 63
Folio: 89
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 72

James Rowe 38 Bus Conductor
Marian Rowe 38 b.ca 1863, Southampton
Alice M M Rowe 13 b.ca 1888, St Germans, Daughter
Mabel H J Rowe 8
James B Rowe 2
Daisy F Burgess 19 b.ca 1882, Fulham, Niece
Mabel G Jackson 23 Boarder
William Bowyer 27 Boarder

Address:- 3 Grove Terrace


It might be truer to say that James Richard moved to London to work ........ see the 1891 Census

That he met Marian there, married her there, but that Marian went to St Germans to have their eldest child .... perhaps to hide the birth from their employers?????

Alice with grandmother in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Newport Street, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary M Rowe Head Widow Female 64 1827 Tailoress St Germans, Cornwall, England
Maude M Rowe Granddaughter Single Female 17 1874 - St Germans, Cornwall, England
Alice M M Rowe Granddaughter - Female 3 1888 - St Germans, Cornwall, England

Original reads Mary A Rowe

Thye were married in June quarter 1887, and Alice was born in the September quarter 1887 ................


servants were not allowed to be married back then (even though many cooks were called by the honorific "Mrs")

It looks as though they did not want to lose their jobs, so Marian managed to conceal the marriage AND the child.

Thank you,
Alice was my granddads mother she died when he was about 10/11 he never spoke about it as he blamed his father for her death, so very little is known about his family

Baptism
Day Month 22-Feb
Year 1863
Parish Or Reg District Germans, St.
Forename James Rickard
Surname ROWE
Sex
Father Forename James
Mother Forename Mary Ann
Residence St Germans
Father Rank Profession labourer

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/


Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
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ROWE James Richard St Germans 5c 48

?????

Marriage of James Rowe and Mary Ann

Day Month 03-Nov
Year 1849
Parish Or Reg District Germans, St.
Groom Fn James
Groom Sn ROWE
Groom Age Of age
Groom Residence St. Germans
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name William
Groom Father Rank Profession Sexton
Bride Fn Mary Ann
Bride Sn DEACON
Bride Age Of age
Bride Residence St. Germans
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession Dress Maker
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name Richard
Bride Father Rank Profession Labourer
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 William
Witness Sn1 ROWE
Witness Fn2 Daniel
Witness Sn2 TUCKER


Burial of Mary Ann Rowe ..........

Burial
Day Month 20-Mar
Year 1912
Parish Or Reg District Germans, St.
Forename Mary Anne
Surname ROWE
Age 84
Residence St Germans


Mother of Mary Ann Deacon ...............

Baptism
Day Month 22-May
Year 1825
Parish Or Reg District Germans, St.
Forename Mary Ann
Surname DEACON
Father Forename Richard
Mother Forename Catherine

from freereg2

Baptism of James Rowe

County Cornwall
Place St Germans
Church name St Germanus
Register type Transcript
Register entry number
Baptism date 23 May 1824
Birth date
Person forename James
Person sex M
Person abode
Father forename William
Father surname ROWE
Father occupation Sexton
Mother forename Mary

(seems to relate below, also)

Chris :)

Baptism
Day Month 18-Apr
Year 1830
Parish Or Reg District Germans, St.
Forename George
Surname DEACON alias TUCKER
Father Forename Richard
Mother Forename Catherine
Residence

Thank you Chris Ho :)
kind regards
Sue

this is the only james born in 1857 the other james born 1863


James Richard Rowe

England and Wales Birth Registration Index

Name James Richard Rowe
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1857
Registration District St. Germans
County Cornwall
Event Place St. Germans, Cornwall, England
Volume 5C
Page 43
Line Number 40

this could be jame's death

Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%)

Rowe James Richard St. Germans 5c 25

malyon

I posted the birth registration in my post on 10 Sep 2016 21:30

and his death in 1943.


There are a lot of Rowes in St German, and they all use the same name

the death I posted is for the james born 1857 st.germans just to let susan know as she did say james 1857 she had the wrong james

the one born in 1863 could have been born to the same parents and they named him after the one that died in 1857

we had also solved that problem ....... Susan had guessed at the birth year.

see greyghost's post at 10 Sep 2016 21:39, and Susan's post at 10 Sep 2016 21:49

(below for Burials)

Chris :)

James Rowe - Burial - 27/01/1943

http://burials.wandsworth.gov.uk/


Deceased name James Burgess ROWE
Date of Burial 23/11/1943
Gender Male
Age 44 Years
Date of death Unknown
Location East Sheen Cemetery
Section O
Grave 226

http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/lbrburials/(S(5npenwftranzevq5slkyregi))/Search.aspx

Hi , sorry for the delay in posting my thanks for all your help, have been in St Germans trying to find out more info, I am very grateful for all your help
Kind Regards
Sue