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That looks like her, MargaretM.

Henry Vassal and a couple of Poiriers signed the marriage document.

Yes, yes, Margaret I think you have it. If you look at who else is in the Household ie surname Vassal then someone with that surname is a witness at Rose's marriage to Philippe. Well done you. It says on the Census that her birth place is Limepor England which we now know is Liverpool but then it says her racial or tribal origin is Irish. Excuse my ignorance but what does that mean please? May now be able to trace her parents as they should hopefully be in the 1881 Census. Maybe Rose travelled before the dates the passenger list first started.


Kind regards

Kathryn

There's this birth - though not for a May birth:

Births Mar 1882 (>99%)
McIntyre Rose Liverpool 8b 35

Also these from Ancestry, though I think the first one is the same as the one I've just posted above:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: Rose McIntyre
Birth: Jan 1882 - Liverpool, Lancashire


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: Rose McIntyre
Birth: Oct 1884 - Liverpool, Lancashire

Having looked at the 1901 Census it looks that may well be March 1882 as opposed to May although it is only written Ma and then what looks like an r.

You're all so clever, and I do appreciate everyone's help. Can you all please see if you can find her Mum and Solomon. I am looking too. My Cousin also said she thought she had an older sister Margaret who travelled as well to Canada.

Kind regards

Kathryn

I can't see any Solomon McIntyre anywhere in 1881 census. Perhaps he didn't go from Ireland (if that's where he originated - certainly Annie Quinn is a very Irish name) to England until after the census, and then died before 1891.

Yes, you're probably right . I will still have a look around though. Shame the Irish records aren't so easy to research.

Kind regards

Kathryn

There are a few possible Annie Quinns in Liverpool in 1881 - one's married (no husband listed), born Ireland; one's 15, a servant, born Liverpool; one's a widow, born Dublin, a servant.

I don't see any really likely Annie McIntyre's in Liverpool in 1881.

She may not have been married to Solomon, or they may have married after the 1881 census.
But I can't see any such marriage in England/Wales.

Thank you again for your time and help. These things are sure sent to try us. I do so love it when a jigsaw is complete though. We've come a long way since this morning though. Thank you one and all.

If I find anything else I'll add it to the thread. Maybe I'll send off for Rose's birth cert that should tell us something further.

Kind regards

Kathryn

I've sent off for Rose's birth certificate. The one that was born in 1882. Fingers crossed. II'll update once I've received it. Says it should be with me next Saturday. Once again, thanks to all who have helped today.

Kind regards


Kathryn

A search for Ann* Quin* dob=1881 +/-10 at:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2180
got the following 2 hits:
All Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms
Rosa Mackintyre 6/9/1884 parish Mathan Mackintyre,Annae Quinn
Johannis McIntyre 11/3/1883 parish Mareti Hugernis McIntyre,Annae Quinn
[I've no sub, so can't see more details]

These look like the matching civil rego's:
Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
McIntyre Rose Liverpool 8b 69

Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
McINTYRE John Liverpool 8b 69


1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: QU DRUMMOND & ARTHABASKA (#153)
Subdistrict: Wendover & Simpson N-1 Page 7-8
Details: Schedule 1 Microfilm T-6521
45 58 Bibeau Pierre M Head M Jul 15 1846 56
46 58 Bibeau Délise F Wife M May 25 1852 48
47 58 Bibeau George M Son S Aug 15 1874 26
48 58 Bibeau Cleomène M Son S Nov 18 1879 21
49 58 Bibeau Dona M Son S Jul 7 1884 16
50 58 Bibeau Emile M Son S Apr 18 1887 13
1 58 Bibeau Josepha M Son S Jan 22 1892 9
2 58 Bibeau Georgine F Daughter S Dec 17 1876 24
3 58 Bibeau Concorde F Daughter S May 28 1878 22
4 58 Bibeau Antoinet F Daughter S Jun 15 1882 18
5 58 Bibeau Eléana F Daughter S Feb 16 1884 17
6 58 Bibeau Geanne F Daughter S Aug 11 1893 7
7 59 Bibeau Philippe M Head S Oct 20 1875 25
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000136993.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000136994.pdf
Sched 2 descibes the properties
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z003/pdf/z000136985.pdf
P7 L45 addy=C 37,54 1 dwelling, 5 outbuildings 114 acres
P8 L7 addy=C 54 1 dwelling, 2 outbuildings 135 acres
Quebec farms are legally addressed using the Cadastral system.
A cadastre is a land register, and the C (cadastre) # defines the entry, and thus the land
It's usually not possible to say exactly where the land is without a cadastral map.
On the census, Philippe is a culivateur (farmer), and his parents are Farmers, and so are the 3 oldest boys in the h/h (described as F. Son's)

The original of that Liverpool Catholic baptism that mgnv posted says that Rosa was born 6 Sep. 1884 and was baptised 13 Sep. 1884. Father's name looks like Mathau on original.

The one for Johannis says born 11 March 1883 and baptised 13 March 1883. I can't make out father's name on original.

That 1884 birth record found by mgnv for Rosa Mackintyre says she was born 6 Sept 1884, and baptised 13 Sept 1884, daughter of Mathau (Mathan ? ie - Matthew ??) and Annae Mackintyre (nee Quinn).
Godmother: Catherine Larry (?? maybe Leary)

Good afternoon. Thank you for this information, it's very helpful. I've ordered the birth certificate for Rose's birth in 1882 but will also order the one for 1884. The first one should be here next Saturday and am hoping that the second one will arrive the same day, if not the following Monday. I will update this thread once received. I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this quest. I work full time during the week so can only check the board in the evenings. Hopefully we'll get a result one way or another.

Kind regards

Kathryn

The one for John says he was born 11 March 1883, baptised 13 March 1883, son of Mareti (? Marau/ Matau) Hugenis MacIntyre and Annae McIntyre, nee Quinn.
Godmother Margarita O'Hare.

Hi all. Yes, the plot thickens. Just haven't been able to find anything on Solomon. The mother's name is definitely right for that 1184 birth. I've re checked the burial details for Rose which states she was 42 years and 11 months when she passed in 1926 which, unless I'm wrong equates to her being born in 1882/1883. Of course, as we know, dates and names can be incorrectly transcribed. Thank you all for your continued assistance.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Kathryn ............

I spent 5 years in Liverpool in the 1960s, and there was a very large Irish population even then, many of them families dating back to migration of ancestors from Ireland in the 1860s.

They still identified themselves as Irish!

Tribal origin would be what we might think of as their ancestral origin.

Here's what LAC says abt it:

Column 14. Racial or tribal origin

Generally traced through the father.
Aboriginal people were to have their racial or tribal origin traced through their mothers, with the specific name of the First Nation entered.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/about-census.aspx

Good morning All, just received the birth certificate for Rose McIntyre (1882). Unfortunately and frustratingly it's not the right one. This one the parents are Daniel and Mary Ann McIntyre. I did, during the week, knowing that next weekend is Easter and therefore if I waited to send off for the other cert until today I wouldn't receive it until after Easter. Impatient me. I therefore sent off for it during last week and it should be here on Thursday. Up until now I've been very lucky in receiving correct certs. This is only the second one I've received that doesn't tally up so to speak.

Just thought I'd give an update although it's not good news. Fingers crossed for later next week.

Kind regards

Kathryn

According to my calculations, when she died 26 March, 1926 her age was given as 42 years, 11 months so if he had lived until April she would be 43 making her born April 1883.