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I am trying to trace my dad's Dad - William Frith (My dad who is now deceased)

Can you help?

All I have is that he was married to Elizabeth Grace Singlehurst in 1927 had 3 children and then the marriage broke down.

I would love to know who he was and about his life, for my dad's sake he never knew.

I'm sure he went on to another life & he was very happy.

To give an idea of the area

William Frith
Spouse Surname: Singlehurst
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1927
Registration district: Northampton
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 107


Do you have the marriage certificate please? That would tell you William's age and father's name and occupation.

Welcome to the boards Louisa.

You should get used to using the free site below to look for bmd's from Q3 1837 to around the 1960's or so at present. It's an on going project and will eventually go to 1983. Commercial websites go to around 2006

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Here you will find the marriage listed (along with another on the same page). You know who married who so not a problem at this stage.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%)
Beeden Frank C Chambers Northampton 3b 107
Chambers Margaret E Beeden Northampton 3b 107
FRITH William Singlehurst Northampton 3b 107 <<<<<<<<<
Singlehurst Grace Frith Northampton 3b 107 <<<<<<<<<

Using the same site you can find Grace's birth (which MAY give an idea of William's age, but not necessarily. She was born in Northampton as well as marrying there.

The marriage certificate would confirm the ages of William and Grace and should also give the names and occupations of both father's to help track them down.

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
Singlehurst Grace Northampton 3b 61

From Q3 1911 mother's maiden names are shown on the registration, but not before then.
By entering Frith as surname with Mothers maiden name Singlehurst you could find the name of your father and his siblings

EDIT - perhaps not this birth.

There is an Elizabeth Grace Singlehurst born 1907 in Tundra, India - see next post

???
Perhaps this birth as you say her name was Elizabeth Grace.
Although the marriage has her as only Grace (not unusual to miss a forename).

This is where the marriage certificate would come in useful for ages and fathers names

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Elizabeth Grace
Last name Singlehurst
Baptism year 1907
Birth year 1907
Place Tundla
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Louie Magdalen
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Alfred William
Father's last name Singlehurst
Baptism date 24 Mar 1907
Birth date 17 Feb 1907
Archive reference N-1-338
Folio 128
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms

A tree on Ancestry has the 1907 birth in India relating to the girl that married William Frith in 1927.

William's birth is given as 1908 Coventry, where they are living in 1930 it says.

(This would go with births 1928 (died 1930) in Northampton and 2 further in the Coventry area)

The same tree has a picture of William's house in Coventry after the divorce!

His parents are given as Samuel Frith b 1879 Staleybridge and Lily b 1879 Sheffield

Grace said to have died Dec 1999 Croydon, having remarried to Hughey F C Collins but nothing further on William

First name(s) Alfred William
Last name Singlehurst
Marriage year 1903
Marriage date 14 Dec 1903
Spouse's first name Lene Magdolene
Spouse's last name Pettit
Place Umballa
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 29
Bride's age 19
Groom's father's first name George
Groom's father's last name Singlehurst
Bride's father's first name Edward
Bride's father's last name Pettit
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-312
Folio number 325

That same tree has an image of William and Grace's marriage certificate.

He is a 19 year old Bachelor

She is a 20 year old spinster. Her father is Alfred William

Can anyone decipher the rest, I can't get a clear look at it??

Could be the Parish church of Hartingstone, where both bride and groom are resident possibly?

Had a look Greyghost but I couldn't read it either. I do think William's father looks to read as Samuel but can't decipher his occupation.

Maybe 1911?

William Frith
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Son (Child)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 82 Ridgway St Ancoats Manchester
Registration district: Manchester
Registration District Number: 466
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 24111
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Frith 32, Spindle Moulder
Lily Frith 32
Elizabeth Frith 12
Eleanor Frith 7
William Frith 3

William Frith
Birth Date: 27 Nov
Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1907
Parish: Manchester, St Philip
Parish as it Appears: St Philip, Bradford Rd
Father's name: Samuel Frith
Mother's name: Lily Frith
Reference Number: M299/3/1/7
Item Number: 2
Archive Roll: 857

The child that died was Irene Constance Frith b 1827 Northants, died 16 April 1930 Coventry. The Ancestry tree has a picture of her with a Notice of death from Gulson Road Municipal Hospital and a bill for funeral and cemetery expenses from A Pargetter Funeral Furnisher.

William Frith
Birth Date: 27 Nov 1907
Date of Registration: Mar 1984
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Truro
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 21
Page: 703

OMG!!!

I didn't realize all this conversation had happened, till just now!
Thank you. :)

I have managed to find out about my Grandmother Elizabeth Grace Singlehurst born in India but it is her first husband William Frith my REAL granddad I have so little to go on.

I know they (Elizabeth & William) were married in 1927 - William was from the Midlands, as a little boy that's where my dad grew up in Coventry...

I don't have any documentation as in a birth certificate for my dad or a marriage cert for my grandparents ... I think those documents would have more info on them?

I'm going to read these posts now...

Louisa, someone has your grandparents marriage posted on Ancestry. The problem is the name and occupation for William's father are difficult to read on the image. His father's name looks like Samuel to me. If it is I think that's William with his parents on the 1911 census posted.

If that is the correct family..........

Samuel Frith
Probate Date: 22 Sep 1947
Death Date: 29 Dec 1946
Death Place: Coventry
Registry: Birmingham, England

Probate was granted to Eleanor Young and her husband Edward Young

Samuel and Lily's marriage is on Ancestry


Samuel Andrew Frith, occ. Sawyer
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1898
Parish: Oldham, St Peter
Parish as it Appears: S Peter Oldham Road Manchester
Father's name: William Frith, Brewer, deceased
Spouse's Name: Lily Ogden
Spouse's Father's Name: William Ogden
Reference Number: M299/1/2/2
Item Number: 6
Archive Roll: 860

Eleanor Frith
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1903
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 7 Oct 1903
Parish: Manchester, St Philip
Parish as it Appears: St Philips Bradford Rd
Father's name: Samuel Frith
Mother's name: Lily Frith
Reference Number: M299/3/1/7
Item Number: 2
Archive Roll: 857

possibility that there were 4 children to the marriage

Irene as posted 1927, then there is
Dennis W 1929 Foleshill, Warwicks who I presume is your Dad
Another girl 1932 Warwickshire
3rd girl 1946 London - not seeing another Frith/Singlehurst marriage

not posting the last 2 names incase still living

Was just looking at this as I can't find them in 1901. Do you think the surname may be missed out?


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Davies Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Andrew Head Married Male 22 1879 Circular Wood Sawyer Guide Bridge, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Lily A Andrew Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Andrew Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

OK please bear with me as I am a beginner, its taking me a while to read and understand... Thank you greyghost & rootgatherer for your speedy replies and all the others too!

GG - William's birth is given as 1908 Coventry, where they are living in 1930 it says... / This sounds about right...

(This would go with births 1928 (died 1930) in Northampton and 2 further in the Coventry area) - I don't understand this?

The same tree has a picture of William's house in Coventry after the divorce! / OMG I would love to see this... how can I do this/contact them...just through website Ancestry?

His parents are given as Samuel Frith b 1879 Staleybridge and Lily b 1879 Sheffield / Is this info you got from the persons tree? can you name the contact for me? is there a way I can connect the links?

Grace said to have died Dec 1999 Croydon, having remarried to Hughey F C Collins but nothing further on William / yes this is true, but I only ever knew him as Charles! How did you get this? I am amazed!

on to reading some more posts...