Genealogy Chat

i have my 2nd great grandparents marriage certificate william hutchinson age 22 & ann green age 26 both spinster,s marriage in 1845 at stainton both potters they had 5 children sarah ann 1847 stockton
john 1851 stockton
martha 1852 newcastle
eliza jane 1858 newcastle
william 1862 newcastle
on the birth certificates of sarah ann 1847 father william potter mother ann formaly MYERS , pottery thornaby ,, on johns certificate 1851 father william potter mother ann formaly GREEN pottery thornaby ,,, on eliza janes 1858 birth certificate byker father william potter mother ann formaly GREENER ,,, can any one explain the different maiden names of the mother ? i have deaths of william 1866 and ann 1874 in byker newcastle

Just a guess, was Myers Ann mothers maiden name?

From the marriage cert, what is her fathers name?

Andy

her fathers name as robt green which im summising was robert ,, ann was born scotland on all the census ,

1851 just for info

Name: Ann Hutchinson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Hutchinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Thornaby
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Yarm
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 2383
Folio: 462
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hutchinson 28
Ann Hutchinson 30
Ann Hutchinson 3

The Green and Greener surnames could just be a mistake by the registrar - perhaps he didn't quite hear the surname properly.

It is possible that the first wife Ann Myers died and William married another Ann (Ann Green/Greener).

EDIT - no that can't be the case as it was definitely Ann Green that he married in 1845 and not Ann Myers.

Could the birth certificate for Sarah Ann Hutchinson in 1847 be a child from a different couple altogether?

Kath. x

it says on there marriage both spinsters and i dont have any marriage for a ann myers

I think you may have the wrong birth certificate for the first child.

Is this the birth certificate you have for Sarah Ann Hutchinson? :-

First name(s) SARAH ANN
Last name HUTCHINSON
Birth year 1847
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District STOCKTON
County Durham
Country England
Volume 24
Page 250

On the 1851 census the first child is just named Ann and I think this is the birth certificate:-

First name(s) ANN
Last name HUTCHINSON
Birth year 1847
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District STOCKTON
County Durham
Country England
Volume 24
Page 248

Kath. x

the certificate i have for sarah ann is 23 october 1847 . i did see ann in the 1851 census born 1847 but i thought it was sarah ann 1847

I would buy the birth certificate for Ann born 1847 and see if the mother's maiden name is Green or Greener. If so I would think it was the correct certificate.

You could always ring the register office in Stockton and ask if you could buy the certificate on condition that the mother's maiden name is Green/Greener.

I'm not sure what they are like now but in the past Stockton register office staff have been very helpful and provided you do buy the certificate over the phone at the time of talking to them then they will check the maiden name for you.

This is the phone number for the Stockton Register Office:-

01642 527720

Kath. x

yes i will do that .. but i know i have correct family through the census ,s and martha 1852 married thomas grahm who was present at death of ann in 1874 so if ann in 1851 census must of been born january 1847 because sarah ann was born october 1847

Not sure what you mean about Ann having to be born January, as the birth reference for the Ann Hutchinson born in 1847 says registered quarter 2 - which means registered in April/May/June so the earliest she could have been born would be the middle of February as you only have 6 weeks to register a birth.

Kath. x

what i ment was in 1861 , 1871 and onwards it is always sarah ann 1847 even when she married and on the birth certificate i have for sarah ann born october 1847 , and the ann you have which i also have in 1851 census was born first quarter 1847 so if ann in 1851 census is same as sarah ann 1847 parents william potter wife ann scotland how can that be possable

how can there be 2 birth , s for ann and sarah ann in 1847 ,

Re what Linda says about Ann / Sarah Ann, for our ref.:

Ann Hutchison
in the 1861 England Census

Name: Ann Hutchison
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Hutchison
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 254
Piece: 3832
Folio: 95
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hutchison 38
Ann Hutchison 40
Sarah A Hutchison 13 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Image says born c1848
John Hutchison 10
Martha Hutchison 6
Eliza J Hutchison 2

Ah, I see now that you have Sarah Ann Hutchinson in the 1861 census. In which case perhaps the birth certificate you have for her is still wrong (as the mother's maiden name is wrong) and perhaps your Sarah Ann wasn't registered at all. Lots of births were not registered right up until 1875 when penalties were introduced for not registering.

Kath. x

sarah ann 1847 mother myers date and place of birth potter thornaby
john 1851 date and place of birth pottery thornaby mother green
both children born same abode and same fathers name and occupation and mother ann myers / green the sarah ann has to be mine

I think the only explanation is that the registrar at the time made a mistake with the mother's maiden name. Is the certificate you have a copy of the original (i.e. written in the old handwriting) or is it a copy that has been typed out or written out more recently?

Kath. x

i realy couldnt say but i got it from stockton reg office is there anyway i could place the document on this thread ?

Is it a photocopy, or an actual handwritten cert? If the latter, it will be a newly written copy. If a photocopy, it's likely to be a copy of the original handwritten cert.

No help re mms, but just for the record, here's Sarah Ann's baptism:

Sarah Ann Hutchinson

in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Sarah Ann Hutchinson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 Nov 1847
Baptism Place: Thornaby On Tees,York,England
Father: William Hutchinson
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 551578