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As my own parents and much of my immediate family are deceased, I cannot gain information about the following. Please can anyone help?
My grandmother (my father's mother) was Elizabeth Hatfield, b Old Malton, Yorkshire 1883. I am trying to trace the descendants of her older sister, Mary Ann Hatfield b Old Malton 1876. I have concluded that she married Albert Johnson b 1879, Pool-In-Wharfedale, Yorkshire in 1904. They had 3 children, Robert b1905, Carrie b1907 and William b1910. I believe they emigrated but don't know the destination. They appear in the 1911 census at Pool, Wharfedale. I have no other record of the 3 children's marriages or death record of any of them, which would back up the emigration theory.
John Pick

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Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

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First name(s) CARRIE
Last name JOHNSON
Gender Female
Age 4
Birth year 1907
Occupation CHILD
Departure year 1911
Departure day 13
Departure month 4
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port PORTLAND
Destination PORTLAND
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name MEGANTIC
Ship official number 127981
Ship master's first name H
Ship master's last name SMITH
Shipping line WHITE STAR-DOMINION
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port PORTLAND
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 21629
Ship registered tonnage 9183
Number of passengers 1620
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists

Just for reference.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Old Bank Pool Leeds, Pool, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Albert Johnson Head Married Male 32 1879 Yorks Pool Quarry Labourer
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Mary Ann Johnson Wife Married Female 34 1877 Yorks Old Malton -
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Robert Johnson Son - Male 6 1905 Yorks Old Malton School
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Carrie Johnson Daughter - Female 4 1907 Yorks Pool -
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William Johnson Son - Male 1 1910 Yorks Pool -

I discounted the one in the post above by safc because she is travelling with:-

H. Johnson
Mrs. Johnson
Alfred Johnson
Harris Johnson
Cecil Johnson
Hubert Johnson
Ernest Johnson

This doesn't seem like the same family as in the 1911 census.

Kath. x

going to canada

mary
carrie 5

william 2

http://goo.gl/iytvD4

The record above says that Mary is "going to husband" so he must have gone out earlier.

Kath. x

1921 c
Canadian census

Name: Albert Johnson
Gender:Male
Marital Status:Married
Age:42
Birth Year:abt 1879
Birth Place:England

Relation to Head of House:Head

Spouse's Name:Mary A Johnson

Father Birth Place:England
Mother Birth Place:England

Year of Immigration:1911

Racial or Tribal Origin:English

Province or Territory:Ontario

District:Halton
District Number:86
Sub-District:Burlington (Town)
Sub-District Number:23
City, Town or Village:Burlington
Street or Township:Beach
Municipality:Burlington

Occupation:Section Man

Income:600

Albert Johnson 42
Mary A Johnson 44
Robert Johnson 16
Carcy Johnson 14
Wm Johnson 10
Alfred Johnson 6

Canada, Soldier of the First World War

Name:Albert Johnson

Residence:Burlington, Ontario

Birth Date:11 Jan 1879

Birth Location:Fool, Yorkshire, England

Relative:Mary A Johnston

Mary and the children went out in April 1912 ............................


so Albert must have emigrated between the time of the 1911 Census and April 1912


I wonder ....................................



UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Albert Johnson
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Birth Date: abt 1880
Departure Date: 15 Jul 1911
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Tentonic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Tentonic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: White Star Line
Official Number: 96334
Master: R W James



This is the only record showing on ancestry during the relevant period.

OR


there is this one on familysearch ......



Canada Passenger Lists, 1881-1922

Albert Johnson
Canada Passenger Lists
Name: Albert Johnson
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: May 1911
Event Place: Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Year (Estimated): 1879
Birthplace: England
Ship Name: Southwark
Affiliate Film Number: T-4776 , Digital Folder Number: 004543091 , Image Number: 00458


he is travelling with Master Ro Johnson, age 6


https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aalbert~%20%2Bsurname%3Ajohnson~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ayorkshire~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1875-1881~%20%2Bresidence_place%3Acanada~%20%2Bresidence_year%3A1910-1921~%20%2Brecord_type%3A%284%29

Many thanks guys for these responses! I'm very grateful for your help. I suspected they emigrated to Canada.
I am also pleased to discover that the 1921 census showed that they had (at least) one more child in Canada: Alfred. Thanks Choccy. Further children or grandchildren born in Canada will probably be harder to trace. If anyone can help with this I'd very much appreciate. Great result :-D

Twins who died.. Both born 15 Feb. 1913, Alfred died 22 Apr. 1913, aged 2 months, 7 days and Albert died 8 May 1913, aged 2 months 23 days. Parents Albert Johnson & Mary Ann Hadfield both born England. Both twins died of ileo-colitis.

Name: Albert Johnson
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birth Place: Hamilton Haspital
Age at Death: 0
Death Date: 8 May 1913
Death Place: Halton, Ontario, Canada

Name: Alfred Johnson
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birth Place: Hamilton Haspital
Age at Death: 0
Death Date: 22 Apr 1913
Death Place: Halton, Ontario, Canada

The twins birth record gives parents' marriage as 22 May 1903, England.

Looks like the marriage date was wrong on the twins birth record.

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Hatfield Mary Ann Malton 9d 772
Johnson Albert Malton 9d 772

Many thanks Margee, what a sad story to come out of this. The death of twin babies must have been devastating. Many thanks for your help. I'm wondering if Albert senior survived as a soldier of WW1 as his death record seems obscured. Hope the rest of the family prospered.

I'm sure he survived the war, John. There is no record of him being a casualty.There is a good website of Canadian war casualties here and he's not on it:

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


the post dated 25 th January 2:03


is slipping further and further down the page as more and more psots are made on what is still the 24th





One does just have to laugh!

It is laughable, Sylvia, because it's not just the day that is wrong but the time also. It gives a time of 02:03 but it was the first post that I put on the thread so it was between 10:06 and 18:17. How on earth did they come up with 02:03 tomorrow?

Margee



that is seriously weird :-)

Her death?

Name: Mary Ann Johnson
[Mary Ann Halfield]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birth Place: England
Age at Death: 59
Death Date: 27 Dec 1935
Death Place: Halton, Ontario, Canada
Father: William Halfield

Husband was Albert Johnson. Father was William Hatfield. She died of carcinoma of Kidney, metastasis to lungs.

Edit: I posted this before the previous one but for some reason GR has decided to put tomorrow's date on it.