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HI THIS IS A QUERIE ON WILLIAM MARTIN SAME ADDRESS
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=8354&p=localities.britisles.england.mdx.general

Yes Dizzi,

This is the same famiiy. We also have a tree on Ancestry and we have now found answers to almost all queries apart from what happened to Henry after 1901

Regards,

Stephen

Thanks LindaC ,

I've not found anything like that so far. Are you saying you managed to get photos of Old Hoxton? If so, is it possible you could direct me to the source?

Regards, Stephen

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1349289

If you're still looking for old photos of Hoxton, just Google "old photos Hoxton", and several websites will be shown.

As for your earlier post about Service Numbers, where you said:
"He is shown as being in the East Surrey Regiment and we have a Medal Record for Henry/Harry Martin as being in the East Surrey Regmt as Soldier No 626 then in the Queens Regmt as No 24366."

Have you tried contacting either of the regiments?
This link gives you (at the bottom of the page) contact details for the Surrey History Centre for enquiries re East Surrey Regiment and the Queen's Regiment.

http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/index.shtml

Also see:
http://tinyurl.com/nd3rsox

Thanks ArgyllGran, I'll give them a try, Stephen

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1351628

and others.................

Thanks to the 1939 Register we now know more about our grand uncle Henry Martin who was a window cleaner living at 15 Rosebank Grove, Walthamstow, Essex.

The register confirms his exact date of birth as 1st February 1888.

By the time of the register he was a widower but we have no details about his wife or any children.

All we know, from his sparse army records, is that he enlisted in 1916 and his wife moved from 88 Clacton Road, Walthamstow to 15 Rosebank Grove in 1918.

At that time he was a PoW and repatriated in December that year.

He was in the South Staffordshire Regiment
Original Service No 2807 but that changed to 202510

To Recap:

He was born in Walthamstow to parents William and Emma on 1st February 1888.

We know all his family details but lost track of him after the 1901 census when he was living at home at 13 Felton Street, Hoxton.

If anyone can help with any details of his marriage, wife’s name, or any children we’d be very grateful

Stephen

Tracking back from 1939 looking for Henry at that address in Electoral Rolls would be my plan of action.
Hopefully you would find him with his wife and or adult children.

Thanks Gwyn,

That's one of our options when we visit London again.

No doubt you have found his mum was Emma Reader

baptism
Name: Henry Martin
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Feb 1888
Baptism Date: 21 Mar 1888
Baptism Place: St. Savior, Walthamstow, Essex, England
Father: William Martin
Mother: Emma
FHL Film Number: 1564165
Reference ID: It.5 p82

At last we have found the missing info on our grand uncle Henry Martin (1888-1952).
He was indeed in the army from 1916 as No 202510 and we know that he and his wife moved to 15 Rosebank Grove, Walthamstow in 1918. We only know her first name as Emily and that she died about 1937. They may also have had a son Walter who was at the address in 1933.

Henry was an ARP warden in WW2 we are sure he was in the civil defence unit at Walthamstow. He lived on at Rosebank Grove until his death there on 29th March 1952 but the surprising thing is the informant on his Death Cert is Charles Albert Usher, stepson, living at the same address. He was also the beneficiary of Henry's will. We know nothing about him at all.

Thanks for all your help in solving this mystery and if anyone can add anything else regarding the above we'd be equally grateful.

Stephen

Bearing in mind the stepson's surname how about this as a possibility of a second marriage (FMP shows the right pairing)

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1926 (>99%)
Martin Henry Usher W. Ham 4a 758 <<<<<<<
Reece William J Richardson W. Ham 4a 758
Richardson Elizabeth S Reece W.Ham 4a 758
Usher Susan E Martin W. Ham 4a 758 <<<<<<<

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This would then perhaps be the death so born c 1885/6

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1937 (>99%)
Martin Susan E 51 Essex S.W 4a 361

West Ham RD and later Essex SW cover Walthamstow

?? Keeping in the same area

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) CHARLES A
Last name USHER
Birth year 1918
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name GREGORY
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 567

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Maybe to this marriage (has Emma not Emily but often interchanged)
England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) HENRY
Last name USHER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1902
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HENRY USHER married one of these people
SUSAN EMMA GREGORY, ELIZABETH PRENTICE
District EDMONTON
District number -
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 1035

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And maybe this birth for her

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) SUSAN EMILY
Last name GREGORY
Birth year 1886
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ISLINGTON
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 195

Thanks Greyghost.

Will chase those up. We have Emily Martin with Henry in 1921.
I suppose it MIGHT be possible that Emily and Susan Emily could be the same person and that they didn't actually marry until 1926?

Will keep you posted.

Stephen

Looking more and more like Susan E was Henry's wife who we know died c1937. Now with her being Usher, and the stepson Charles. it all seems to fit.

Will see what the certs tell us when they arrive

Success!! - So Far.

Marriage Cert confirms Henry Martin married to Susan Emily Usher in 1926
Death Cert confirms Susan Emily Martin's death in 1937

Now waiting on Charles birth cert and Emily's previous marriage.

Nearly there, thanks to all who have helped.

Stephen

That's good news Stephen :-)

I'm pleased to say the Henry Martin saga has now come to a close.
Through BMD certs, Electoral Rolls etc, and not forgetting all those of you who have helped, we have managed to unravel his story and found not only him, but his wife, a son and a stepson - all with families - and the picture is now complete.

May now start a thread on one of the other family members!

Thanks to all,

Stephen

Good to know you've now found Henry and family, Stephen. It's always nice to hear a success story it gives hope to those still searching for the 'missing link' :-D