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Hi Guys

Would really like help.....I am trying to find out what year Issac Cowburn was born and also who his parents were.....I don't seem to be able to find any info out other than the below which is his sons baptism....I really want to get my tree back to the 1700s but think I must be searching wrong....any help would be gratefully received.

Baptism: 2 Sep 1841 All Saints, Hindley, Lancs.
Thomas Cowburn - Son of Isaac Cowburn & Clarice
Abode: Hindley
Occupation: Bricklayer
Baptised by: Agd. C. Carr Curate
Register: Baptisms 1840 - 1858, Page 314, Entry 2509
Source: LDS Film 93747

Which famiy members have you found in the 1841 or 1851 census?

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1851 England Census
Isaac Cowburn Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Clarissa Cowburn
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Hindley County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Wigan Sub-registration District: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2d
Household Schedule Number: 18 Piece: 2200 Folio: 191 Page Number: 5
Isaac Cowburn 53
Clarissa Cowburn 54
Ann Cowburn 19
Thomas Cowburn 10
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2200; Folio: 191; Page: 5; GSU roll: 87210.

The family in 1851 - giving Isaac's POB:
1851 England Census
about Isaac Cowburn

Age:53
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1798
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Clarissa Cowburn
Where born:
Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Hindley

Registrtion District:Wigan
Sub-registration District:Hindley
Isaac Cowburn 53
Clarissa Cowburn 54
Ann Cowburn 19
Thomas Cowburn 10

How did you get back to Thomas if you did not find his parents in the censuses, particularly as there is another Thomas also born in the same place and year?

I have no idea.....what I am doing.....basically I got to my g g g grandfather Thomas and some how worked out his dad was issac and his mum clarice...I keep losing my place and forgetting how to search.....I got that info off the Lancashire site....how do I search 1841 or 1851 on here....sorry im such a novice but I appreciate any help you can give me. Thank you

Deborah, do you have Thomas's marriage cert? You really need to get certs (or find images of them on line) otherwise it is very easy to follow the wrong line, even with an unusual name. Have you got documentary evidence to get back to Thomas?

This could be Thomas In 1841
1841 England Census
about Clurida Cowburn
Age:40
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1801
Gender:Female
Where born:Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Wigan
Hindley

Isarac Cowburn 40
Clurida Cowburn 40
John Cowburn 15
James Cowburn 14
William Cowburn 12
Ann Cowburn 10
Thomas Cowburn 10 Mo

Isaac and Clarice's marriage:

Marriage: 1 Sep 1823 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Isaac Cowburn - (X), Wigan Parish
Clarice Topping - (X), Wigan Parish
Witness: Samuel Hickox; Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: G. Goodwill, Curate
Register: Marriages 1820 - 1824, Page 378, Entry 1138
Source: LDS film 1885691

oh really...I just paid a subscription on here.....could I please give you access to my tree.....I though I was doing well but now I think I may have made mistakes....I just had birth death certs for my granfather

No luck with Isaac's baptism but this looks like Clarice - and it also gives her mother's parents:

Baptism: 31 Mar 1798 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Claries Topping - 3rd daughter of John Topping & Claries (formerly Harrison)
Born: 4 Mar 1798
Abode: Hindley
Occupation: Weaver
Mother's Parents: Henry & Betty Harrison
Source: LDS Film 93745

thank you so much

potty thank you so much xxxx

Deborah, I have to sign off now but will be back tomorrow. Can you give us details of your grandfather's birth and death and who he married?

ok will do thank you again....

John Cowburn
DOB 05/03/1919 Hindley
DOD 23/12/1974
Married Nora Hallissey in 1916 in Ince
His parents were Thomas cowburn and annie moorfield born circ 1891
his father didn't now his father it would seem so I carried on up from his mother Elizabeth cowburn dob 1866
Thank you again and have a good evening.

Hello Deborah, could I just ask you to clarify your dates?

You say John Cowburn born 1919 Hindley but married 1916 Ince?

I think it was later than that :-)

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Jack Cowburn
Spouse : Norah Hallissey
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration District: Ince
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 168

I think it was Thomas and Annie's marriage that was 1916:

Marriage: 22 Jan 1916 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cowburn - 24, Collier, Bachelor, 3 Dogpool Atherton Rd
Annie Moorfield - 24, Spinster, 5 Gibson's Court
Bride's Father: William Moorfield, Miner
Witness: Henry Williams; Mary Ellen Mason, (X)
Married by Banns by: C.J. Buckmaster Vicar
Register: Marriages 1916 - 1924, Page 2, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 93751

Are you familiar with Lancs OPC site? http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

EDIT: apologies, I see you mention it above.

So this would be Thomas' baptism:

Baptism: 5 Jun 1892 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cowburn - [Child] of Elizabeth Cowburn
Born: 17 Sep 1891
Abode: Bridgewater St
Occupation: Pitbrow
Baptised by: C.J.Buckmaster Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1893, Page 179, Entry 1427
Source: LDS Film 93748

Continuing from MC's posts - Thomas and Elizabeth in 1911 (same address as 1916 marriage):

1911 England Census

Name:Thomas Cowburn
Age in 1911:19
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1892
Relation to Head:Son
Birth Place:Hindley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Hindley
Street Address:3 Dog Pool Off Atherton Rd Hindley
Marital Status:Single

Occupation:Labourer In Coal Mine (below Ground)


Thomas Holcroft 45
Elizabeth Holcroft 45
Thomas Cowburn 19
Harry S Holcroft 13
John Holcroft 10
Richard Holcroft 9
Mary Ellen Holcroft 7
Clarice Holcroft

Elizabeth's marriage - giving her father's name:

Marriage: 9 Oct 1897 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Holcroft - 32, Collier, Bachelor, 5 Atherton Rd
Elizabeth Cowburn - (X), 32, Spinster, 99 Bridgewater St
Groom's Father: Thomas Holcroft, Deceased
Bride's Father: Thomas Cowburn, Deceased
Witness: Richard Henry Southern; Annie Gerrard
Married by Banns by: Fred. W. Johnstone, Curate
Register: Marriages 1891 - 1899, Page 201, Entry 401
Source: LDS Film 93751

Elizabeth with her parents in 1871:

Thomas Cowburn 31 b Hindley, brick setter
Ellen Cowburn 30
Isaac Cowburn 7
Elizabeth Cowburn 5
Ann Cowbourn Cowburn 3
John Cowburn 1
Frances Blackburn 50

Lancashire bmd site has births for all the children except Ann giving a MMN of Heyes; on Ann's record it is Hayes. This is Elizabeth's - I will let you find the others yourself:


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1865
COWBURN Elizabeth Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES

You will find Thomas and Ellen's marriage on the same site - they married in Wigan Register Office in 1863

You would need to get the marriage cert to confirm their father's names.