Genealogy Chat

Who has told you that David Procter is wrong?

You need to buy the birth and marriage certificates to track the family back, you cannot just use the censuses.

my second cousin told me and its from a totally different area I have seen David proctor on a census, I know that William Henry was born in Sheffield

Thomas, I'm afraid you can't rely on census alone to trace any family back.
There comes a point where, if you want accurate information, you have to bite the bullet and buy the odd certificate here and there.

Yes, sadly that happens, does anyone know a website for that? Or do you have to go somewhere? :-)

Thomas, on page1 jansmith posted a link for GRO - the best place to get certs online. They cost £9.25

Don't use anywhere else, other sites are a rip-off.

That is rather expensive, that will probably be the last thing I do if I can't find the birth certificate in the archive. The reason why I don't want to pay is because I only need to check that Henry Proctor is the correct parent for William Henry Proctor.

MarieCeleste posted this on the first page:
1911
PROCTOR, William Henry Head Married M 50 1861 Colliery Houlage Man Belowground Hillsbro Sheffield
PROCTOR, Laura Wife Married 33 years F 51 1860 Chesterfield
PROCTOR, Ada Daughter Single F 18 1893 Attercliffe Sheffield
They'd had 7 children, all still alive. The original image shows they'd listed the 6 who weren't living at home, they were Annie Lizzie (33), Alice (30), James (26), Walter (24), William Henry (22) and Emily (21) - all were stated as being married.

Which, by looking at the children, gives the 1891 family, but he is called Robert from Derbyshire, as posted by MarieCeleste
1891
PROCTOR, Robert Head Married M 29 1862 Coal Miner Unstone, Derbyshire
PROCTOR, Laudrie Wife Married F 28 1863 Chesterfield, Derbyshire
PROCTOR, Annie E Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Attercliffe, Derbyshire
PROCTOR, Alice Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Attercliffe, Derbyshire
PROCTOR, James Son M 6 1885 Scholar Attercliffe, Derbyshire
PROCTOR, Walter Son M 5 1886 Scholar Attercliffe, Derbyshire
TURNER, James Lodger Widower M 57 1834 Coal Miner Culwell, Hertfordshire
TURNER, Elizabeth Lodger Single F 17 1874 Bolsover, Derbyshire
PROCTOR, William H Son M 3 1888 Attercliffe, Yorkshire
PROCTOR, Emily Daughter F 1 1890 Attercliffe, Yorkshire

So possibly you cannot find William Henry with parents because he was known as Robert and is not from Sheffield.

Unstone comes under Chesterfield.

Earlier in the thread I think Thomas said William was also known as Bob?

Perhaps known by several names or else Laura took up with the brother of a husband who had died?

Thomas can I just point out the William on 1861 census I posted was born Sheffield it is David who wasn't but as I said earlier what we think about where people came from is not always the case as they" did move " about in those days. The only way to know is to get a cert that will give fathers name i.e birth or marriage of William

Well All I know is that Laura was born is Chesterfield, I am going to have a look at birth certificates at the archive, Im going next week

Another quick question If William Henry was on a birth register would he have a birth certificate

Yes Thomas, he would. That what the register is for. Personally, I've never come across the actual certificates in any archives (although some areas may be different) but there may be parish records, which are a different thing.

Ok so would everyone be baptised because the archive I'm going to has baptising records instead of birth records, also the archive doesn't have death records would everyone have been buried in that time (round about the 1930's)?

I'm pretty sure not everyone was baptised.

If they weren't buried then I guess they'd be cremated. The archive centre you're going to visit will be able to tell you what records they have. Might be an idea to phone ahead.

Yes, I've booked a machine called a microfiche, I think.
I'm going Saturday. :-)
Is there any way of finding out addresses I know some addresses but there all from census', is there a different way?

I have found out that Henry Proctor and Ann Tupling ARE the correct parents!
Thank you all for helping me! :-) :-)

Hi Thomas glad you have found them ,how did you manage to sort it out?

False alarm ! I got some things wrong on the birth certificate it says Henry proctor as the father but on the marriage certificate it says Charles proctor , although on all records Ann is always the mother, no one can find him on the 1871 census.
There is only Henry and Ann on the census, I can't find him anywhere.
He was definitely born in Sheffield :-D