Genealogy Chat

thanks ive found them thats great :-)

first time ive used the genes community and i am VERY VERY impressed

my MONK family are a nightmare but i have now got elizabeth and her 7 siblings recorded

the earlier generation is even worse, travelers, lots with similar names, cousin marriages and missing from census records

but they are so exciting

thanks mgnv

another son for thomas and elizabeth born 1908 west derby

so taken with the info from your great aunt that 1930's marriage ticks all the boxes after all - good news

thank you for your kind comments about the GR community. We all love a challenge

I don't know if you are looking into Catherine Bulger's family but is this of any use

1881 - Preston
Christopher Alston 50
Margaret Alston 49
Mary Bulger 24
Catherine Bulger 21 - daughter born Liverpool
Mary E. Alston 15
Agnes Alston 11
Margaret Bulger 12

from lan-opc.org.uk

Marriage: 8 Jul 1876 St Mark, Preston, Lancashire, England
Christopher Alston - 47, Brewer, Widower, Croft St.
Margaret Bulger - (X), 42, Widow, Poplar St.
Groom's Father: Richard Alston, Farmer
Bride's Father: Patrick Ryan, Labourer
Witness: John Emsworth, (X); Elizabeth Cook, (X)
Married by Banns by: Thos. Johnson, Incumbent

Catherine's sister christening for parents names:

Margareta Bulger
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1869
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1869
Parish: Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette
Father's Name: Dionisii Bulger
Mother's name: Margtae Ryan

Mother already a widow in 1871:

Margaret Bolger
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 3758
Folio: 92
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Kinsley 32
Johannah Kinsley 41
Thomas Kinsley 5
Elizabeth Griffin 61
Margaret Bolger 39
Mary Bolger 15
Catherine Bolger 12
John Bolger 9
Margaret Bolger 1

1861:

Mary Bolger
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Denis Bolger
Mother's name: Margaret Bolger
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 2652
Folio: 184
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Denis Bolger 34
Margaret Bolger 27
Mary Bolger 4
Catharine Bolger 1

Denis Bulger
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 39
Death Year: abt 1868
Burial Date: 22 Jul 1868
Parish: Ford Cemetery

From Liverpool catholic burials

1861 Census Record
Personal Information
Name Dennis Bulger
Age 36
Estimated Year of Birth 1825
Relationship to Head of Household Prisoner
Occupation Labourer
Address
District Durham, St Oswald
Parish St Oswalds Elvet
Administrative County Durham
Birth Place Ireland
Birth County
Reference Information
Folio 110
Page 3
Piece RG90
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

is this him ?

whatever did he do ?

john monk is living close to catherine bulger in 1881 and they get married that year

i cant find them on the 1891 census but i know they are in preston because several children are born there including elizabth monk 1882, flora, lawrence, mary ellen, john and, david.

catherine bulgers parents are denis and margaret (nee ryan) bulger

But Denis was with wife and children in 1861 in Liverpool - as previously posted, even though the name seems to change between Bolger and Bulger.

The one you've found was given 6 months for indecent assault:

Dennis Bulger
Date of Trial: 15 Oct 1860
Trial Year: 1860
Location of Trial: Durham, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Don't think he is your Dennis.

as the Monk family in Preston between 1882 & 1889 seem to flit between Jennett Street and (Back) Saul Street I wonder if ii is worth someone with an FMP sub doing an address search in 1891

Good idea Ann, so posting 1901 census for info (don't know if previously posted so sorry if duplication)

Elizabeth Monks
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Monks
Mother's name: Catharine Monks
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 350
Piece: 3418
Folio: 52
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
John Monks 40 <<b Preston
Catharine Monks 40 << Liverpool
Elizabeth Monks 18 << Preston
Flora Monks 17 <<Preston
Lawrence Monks 14 <<Preston
John Monks 9 <<Preston
David Monks 4 <<Preston
Mary Monks 3 Months <<Liverpool

They were living 56 Spring Gardens, father a hawker, when David was chrisened:

David Monks
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1896
Baptism Date: 27 Nov 1896
Parish: Preston, St Paul
Father: John Monks
Mother: Catharine Monks
Reference Number: Pr 2973/1/4

these were the other addresses

Baptism: 27 Sep 1882 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Monk - [Child] of John Monk & Catherine
Born: 15 Sep 1882
Abode: 5 Jennett Street
Occupation: Hawker & Drapery

Baptism: 23 Apr 1884 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Flora Monk - [Child] of John Monk & Catherine
Born: 1 Mar 1884
Abode: 1 Back Saul St
Occupation: Hawker

Baptism: 28 Nov 1886 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Lawrence Monks - [Child] of John Monks & Catherine
Abode: Jennett St
Occupation: Hawker

Baptism: 16 Oct 1889 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Monk - [Child] of John Monk & Catherine
Born: 23 Sep 1889
Abode: 13 Back Saul Street
Occupation: Hawker of Cloth

Baptism: 22 Sep 1861 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Monk - Son of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Lathom
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: W R Burgess - Curate
Register: Baptisms 1855 - 1877, Page 154, Entry 1232
Source: LDS Film 1849665

OMG thank goodness thats not my dennis bulger

Marriage: 28 Oct 1839 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Lawrence Monk - 21, Dealer in pots, Bachelor, Friday St
Elizabeth Ireland - (X), 21, Earthenware Dealer, Spinster, Bow Lane
Groom's Father: William Monk, Earthenware Dealer
Bride's Father: John Ireland, Earthenware Dealer
Witness: Thomas Aspindell, (X); Martha Jamieson, (X)
Married by: J. C. Whish Curate
Notes: [Married by Banns or Licence not entered]
Register: Marriages 1839 - 1841, Page 19, Entry 38
Source: LDS Film 93993

lawrence and family are missing from the 1841 and 1851 census but elizabeth and son william are lodging in lathom in 1841 with a family named boyes

i assume the family are on the road somewhere and have been missed by the enumerator

Lawrence's marriage was actually announced in the Preston Chronicle

and

in the Liverpool Mercury of 14 Aug 1849 he was in the Lancaster insolvent court

"Lawrence Monk hawker and earthenware dealer formerly of Lathon near Ormskirk"