Genealogy Chat

the parents of lawrence and james monk and other siblings

two possibilities

Marriage: 11 Dec 1814 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
William Monk - Weaver, Bachelor, Chorley
Mary Atherton - Spinster, Chorley
Witness: Thomas Gray; Hugh Atherton
Married by Banns by: Richard Hodgson, Asst. Curate
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1827, Page 29, Entry 87
Source: LDS Film 93705


Marriage: 25 Jul 1816 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
William Monk - Bachelor, Chorley
Mary Aspendell - (X), Spinster, Chorley
Witness: John Aspendell, (X); John Gray
Married by Banns by: Richard Hodgson, Officiating Minister
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1827, Page 65, Entry 193
Source: LDS Film 93705

mary aspendell i think is more likely as the name asendell or aspinwall or aspinall keeps popping up in the familt

but it is all a really tangled web

the elizabeth monk with the boyes family is the wife of lawrence, betsy monk (nee ireland) born 1820

william monk born 1841 is the first son of lawrence and betsy and is never seen again , died i suppose

james monk born 1830 is a younger brother of lawrence born 1820, both in preston

in 1861 james and anne and family are at scarth hill latham where there is a community of monk travelers, hawkers, potters etc

This shows where the Boyes family fit in

James Monk married Ann Boyes 17th July 1850 at St. Martin in the Fields, Liverpool and both their fathers named William were Hawkers.

Here is Ann with her family in 1841 in Lathom
William Boyes 25 Mugman
Mary Boyes 25
Ann 8
Mary 1
Elizabeth Monks 19 -not sure whether this is 9 or 19
William Monks 4 months

James is Lawrences brother???

there seems to be a few people trying to find the Monk families in 1841 & 1851

one says there seems to be a district missing for Lathom.

perhaps he was a well known market trader in Preston

found this in the London Gazette 6th July 1849

Lawrence Monk, formerly of Latham, near Ormskirk, Lancashire, Hawker and
Earthenware Dealer, and late a lodger in Little George-street, Preston, in the said
county, out of business or employment.

and on 14th July 1849 - Court for insolvent debtors

as above plus in Lancaster Gaol

wow i didnt realize he was that important always thought he was very close to the breadline

the family referred to themselves as a "traveler family"

lawrences son john monk couldnt read nor write

wow i didnt realize he was that important always thought he was very close to the breadline

the family referred to themselves as a "traveler family"

lawrences son john monk couldnt read nor write

Lawrence's marriage was actually announced in the Preston Chronicle

and

in the Liverpool Mercury of 14 Aug 1849 he was in the Lancaster insolvent court

"Lawrence Monk hawker and earthenware dealer formerly of Lathon near Ormskirk"

lawrence and family are missing from the 1841 and 1851 census but elizabeth and son william are lodging in lathom in 1841 with a family named boyes

i assume the family are on the road somewhere and have been missed by the enumerator

Marriage: 28 Oct 1839 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Lawrence Monk - 21, Dealer in pots, Bachelor, Friday St
Elizabeth Ireland - (X), 21, Earthenware Dealer, Spinster, Bow Lane
Groom's Father: William Monk, Earthenware Dealer
Bride's Father: John Ireland, Earthenware Dealer
Witness: Thomas Aspindell, (X); Martha Jamieson, (X)
Married by: J. C. Whish Curate
Notes: [Married by Banns or Licence not entered]
Register: Marriages 1839 - 1841, Page 19, Entry 38
Source: LDS Film 93993

OMG thank goodness thats not my dennis bulger

Baptism: 22 Sep 1861 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
John Monk - Son of Lawrence Monk & Elizabeth
Abode: Lathom
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: W R Burgess - Curate
Register: Baptisms 1855 - 1877, Page 154, Entry 1232
Source: LDS Film 1849665

these were the other addresses

Baptism: 27 Sep 1882 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Monk - [Child] of John Monk & Catherine
Born: 15 Sep 1882
Abode: 5 Jennett Street
Occupation: Hawker & Drapery

Baptism: 23 Apr 1884 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Flora Monk - [Child] of John Monk & Catherine
Born: 1 Mar 1884
Abode: 1 Back Saul St
Occupation: Hawker

Baptism: 28 Nov 1886 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Lawrence Monks - [Child] of John Monks & Catherine
Abode: Jennett St
Occupation: Hawker

Baptism: 16 Oct 1889 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Monk - [Child] of John Monk & Catherine
Born: 23 Sep 1889
Abode: 13 Back Saul Street
Occupation: Hawker of Cloth

They were living 56 Spring Gardens, father a hawker, when David was chrisened:

David Monks
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1896
Baptism Date: 27 Nov 1896
Parish: Preston, St Paul
Father: John Monks
Mother: Catharine Monks
Reference Number: Pr 2973/1/4

Good idea Ann, so posting 1901 census for info (don't know if previously posted so sorry if duplication)

Elizabeth Monks
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Monks
Mother's name: Catharine Monks
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 350
Piece: 3418
Folio: 52
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
John Monks 40 <<b Preston
Catharine Monks 40 << Liverpool
Elizabeth Monks 18 << Preston
Flora Monks 17 <<Preston
Lawrence Monks 14 <<Preston
John Monks 9 <<Preston
David Monks 4 <<Preston
Mary Monks 3 Months <<Liverpool

as the Monk family in Preston between 1882 & 1889 seem to flit between Jennett Street and (Back) Saul Street I wonder if ii is worth someone with an FMP sub doing an address search in 1891

But Denis was with wife and children in 1861 in Liverpool - as previously posted, even though the name seems to change between Bolger and Bulger.

The one you've found was given 6 months for indecent assault:

Dennis Bulger
Date of Trial: 15 Oct 1860
Trial Year: 1860
Location of Trial: Durham, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Don't think he is your Dennis.

catherine bulgers parents are denis and margaret (nee ryan) bulger

john monk is living close to catherine bulger in 1881 and they get married that year

i cant find them on the 1891 census but i know they are in preston because several children are born there including elizabth monk 1882, flora, lawrence, mary ellen, john and, david.