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My husband and I have spent the weekend working on our tree. We have been tracing his line and have discovered his 3xG grandfather was a traveller. I am keen to learn more about him but seem to be drawing a blank. This is what I have so far:
William Clifton Buck was born in 1818 in Shoreditch. He married Charlotte Perkins in 1840 in Kent. Their daughter Emma Clifton Buck was born in 1841 in Kent.
The family did end up back in Shoreditch though where Emma married Charles Pearce in 1864 in Hoxton. I have managed to locate them in each census. William was later shown as a hawker.
I know William's father was also William Clifton Buck. I guess he was born around 1790-1800. I am now keen to learn more about them. A Google search tells me Buck was a Romany name. And the fact he was a traveller when he married and then later a hawker does imply there may be Romany blood in them,
I'd be grateful for any help you can give though!
Thanks and merry Christmas!

On William Clifton Buck jnrs marriage certificate 19/04/1840 he gives his father's occupation as "a gentleman's servant". His own is a traveller.

Do you have Emma Elizabeth Clifton Buck's MC?

Emma Elizabeth Clifton Buck of Bowling Green Walk
Spouse Name: Charles Pearce - Paper Hanger of Red Lion Street
Both bride and groom of full age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 May 1864
Parish: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Clifton Buck -Hawker
Spouse Father Name: John Pearce - Shoemaker
Register Type: Parish Register

Bride and Groom made their marks.
Witnesses John Pearce, and x Elizabeth Day

A tree on another site has this attached, but as they have different parents to you for William Clifton Buck, it may not be the correct person

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about William Buck
William Buck
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Date of Trial: 9 Oct 1848
Trial Year: 1848
Location of Trial: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Sentence: 3 Months Imprisonment for larceny

There are several trees on that other site with this person on them, but the information is muddled on some.


There's some good information re Romanies/travellers here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,387.0.html


Also, there are a few other members on this site who have him in their tree. Maybe worth checking for further info.



Will send Estelle one of my messages on how to return... ;-)


Got my norty head on today :-D :-D :-D

Cx

I did wonder whether to mention this might be better on Find Ancestors

Nudge, nudge ;-) ;-)

wink, wink ;-) ;-)



:-D

Yes, GB and Cynthia, was also tempted to point out the guidelines about the poster staying around to answer questions and acknowledge what's been posted. ;-)

Hello everyone!

Well apologies for posting on the wrong board. I have no excuse for that one really :-( And sorry for not replying sooner. We have been busy with family and finally got round to a bit more research now.

However, many thanks for the helpful replies. :-)

I have already been in touch with another member on here who has given me some useful info. And I'll take a look at Rootschat too for the Romany info.

Best wishes,

Estelle

I am working on this Estelle.

In between family stuff that is.

I am going to post in chronology order from oldest stuff to most recent stuff' It may take several posts. I have included census although I know you have them as it helped me to follow the family.

Civil registration event: MarriageName: BUCK, William CliftonRegistration district: [?] Canterbury County: KentYear of registration: 1840Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name Not available before 1912Volume no: [?] 5 Page no: [?] 117
William Clifton Buck was born in 1818 in Shoreditch. He married Charlotte Perkins in 1840 in Kent.

FMP
1841 Address: St Peter Street Grove's Lane, St Peter, Canterbury
BUCK, William M 22 1819
BUCK, Charlotte F 21 1820
BUCK, Emma F 0 (4 months) 1841 Kent

Possible connection
FMP
1841 Address: Wincheap, St Mildred, Canterbury
WATERS, Mary Ann F 54 1787
WATERS, Alfred M 16 1825
WATERS, Harriett F 14 1827
BUCK, William M 86 1755
POTTS, Mary F 16 1825 Kent

family Search
William Clifton Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Charlotte Buck
child: Emma Elizabeth Buck
name: Emma Elizabeth Buck
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 12 May 1841
baptism/christening place: Canterbury, Kent, England
father's name: William Clifton Buck
mother's name: Charlotte Buck
indexing project (batch) number: I00752-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1786210

Family Search
William Clifton Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Charlotte Buck
child: Charles Henry Buck
name: Charles Henry Buck
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 13 Aug 1843
baptism/christening place: Canterbury, Kent, England
father's name: William Clifton Buck
mother's name: Charlotte Buck
indexing project (batch) number: I00752-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1786210

Family Search
William Clifton Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Charlotte Buck
child: Edward Clifton Buck
name: Edward Clifton Buck
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 20 Jul 1845
baptism/christening place: Canterbury, Kent, England
father's name: William Clifton Buck
mother's name: Charlotte Buck
indexing project (batch) number: I00752-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1786210

Family Search
William Clifton Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Charlotte Buck
child: Mary Ann Buck
name: Mary Ann Buck
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 18 May 1847
baptism/christening place: Canterbury, Kent, England
father's name: William Clifton Buck
mother's name: Charlotte Buck
indexing project (batch) number: I00752-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1786210

Family Search
William Clifton Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Charlotte Buck
child: Eliza Buck
name: Eliza Buck
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 06 Oct 1849
baptism/christening place: Canterbury, Kent, England
father's name: William Clifton Buck
mother's name: Charlotte Buck
indexing project (batch) number: I00752-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1786210

FMP
1851 Address: 4, Barrow Hill Row, Ashford
BUCK, William Head Married M 31 1820 Railway Labr Shoreditch, Middlesex
BUCK, Charlotte Wife Married F 30 1821 Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Emma Daughter F 10 1841 Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Mary A Daughter F 7 1844 Canterbury, Kent
PERKINS, John Nephew Unmarried M 17 1834 Rail Labr
Canterbury, Kent
GREWCOCK, Godfrey Lodger Unmarried M 17 1834 Rail Labr
Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Charles Son M 4 1847
Canterbury, Kent Listed as Grewcock on Ancestry)

FMP
?1851 Address: 22, Star Street, Saint George, Tower Hamlets
BUCK, Elizabeth Lodger Widow F 30 1821 Chair Mender
Shoreditch, Middlesex

FMP
1861 census Address: Barrow Hill, Ashford
BERCK, William C Head Married M 49 1812 Costermonger
Shoreditch, Middlesex
BERCK, Charlotte Wife Married F 40 1821
Canterbury, Kent
BERCK, Emma E C Daughter Unmarried F 20 1841 Dressmaker
Canterbury, Kent
BERCK, Charles H C Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Harner Maker
Canterbury, Kent
BERCK, Mary A C Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Servant
Canterbury, Kent
BERCK, Clifton Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Scholar
Ashford, Kent
BERCK, Charlotte C Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar
Ashford, Kent
BERCK, Sarah Ann C Daughter Unmarried F 3 1858
Ashford, Kent
Correction sent to FMP

Ancestry
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charles Henry Clifton Buck
Name: Charles Henry Clifton Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Age: 27
Spouse Name: Alice Sophia Willson
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Sep 1870
Parish: Hoxton St Andrew
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Clifton Buck Traveller
Register Type: Parish Register

FMP
1871 Address: Haberdasher's Street, St Leonard Shoreditch
BACK, Charles Head M 28 1843 Kent
BACK, Alice Wife F 21 1850 Middlesex

Ancestry
Emma Elizabeth Clifton Buck of Bowling Green Walk
Spouse Name: Charles Pearce - Paper Hanger of Red Lion Street
Both bride and groom of full age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 May 1864
Parish: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Clifton Buck -Hawker
Spouse Father Name: John Pearce - Shoemaker
Register Type: Parish Register
Bride and Groom made their marks.
Witnesses John Pearce, and x Elizabeth Day

FMP
1871 Address: Royal Oak Walk, Shoreditch
BUCK, Wm C Head M 53 1818 Middlesex
BUCK, Charlotte C Wife F 47 1824 Kent
BUCK, Mary A C Daughter F 23 1848 Kent
BUCK, Clifton Son M 19 1852 Kent
BUCK, Charlotte C Daughter F 15 1856 Kent
BUCK, Sarah A Daughter F 12 1859 Kent

Ancestry
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Clifton Buck
Name: Clifton Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Emma Clayton
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1871
Parish: Hoxton St Andrew
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Buck
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Clayton
Register Type: Parish Register


Ancestry
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charlotte Clifton Buck
Name: Charlotte Clifton Buck
Spouse Name: Robert Pearce a shoemaker
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Nov 1871
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Clifton Buck a commercial traveller
Spouse Father Name: John Pearce a shoemaker
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnessed by William Pearce and Sarah Pearce

Ancestry
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Clifton Buck
Name: William Clifton Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Feb 1874
Father's Name: William Clifton Buck
Mother's Name: Emma Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney Register Type: Parish Registers
23 Richmond Street
Father is a cabinet maker

Ancestry
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Emma Clifton Buck
Name: Emma Clifton Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1877
Father's Name: William Clifton Buck a cabinet maker
Mother's Name: Emma Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
23 Richmond street

FMP
1881 census Address: 10, Royal Oak Walk, Shoreditch
BUCK, Charlotte Head Widow F 61 1820 Laundress Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Sarah Daughter Married F 22 1859 Fancy Box Maker Ashford, Kent
BUCK, Elzbth Lodger Widow F 63 1818 Monthly Nurse Middx City, Middlesex

FMP
1881 Address: 107, Brittania St, Shoreditch
BUCK, Charles Head Married M 33 1848 Sadler Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Alice Wife Married F 30 1851 Dress Maker London, Middlesex
BUCK, Charles Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar London, Middlesex
BUCK, Henry Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar London, Middlesex
BUCK, Alice Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar London, Middlesex
BUCK, Mary A Daughter Single F 3 1878 London, Middlesex
WILLSON, Charlotte Mother In Law Widow F 53 1828 Laundress London, Middlesex
CLEMENT, Eliza Servant Single F 17 1864 Servant London, Middlesex
CLEMENT, Emily Nurse Child Single F 7 1874 London, Middlesex

FMP
1881 Address: 1, Columbia Rd, Bethnal Green
BUCK, William Head Married M 29 1852 Cabinet Maker Ashford, Middlesex
BUCK, Emma Wife Married F 28 1853 Shoreditch, Middlesex
BUCK, William Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar St Lukes, Middlesex
BUCK, Emma Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar St Lukes, Middlesex

FMP
1891 Address: 38, Dunloe Street, Shoreditch, London
BUCK, William Head Married M 41 1850 Cabinet Maker Ashford, Kent
BUCK, Emma Wife Married F 38 1853 Shoreditch, London
BUCK, William Son Single M 17 1874 Upholsterer St Lukes, London
BUCK, Emma Daughter F 14 1877 Scholar St Lukes, London
BUCK, Edward Son M 7 1884 Scholar Shoreditch, London
BUCK, Charlotte Mother Widow F 70 1821 Canterbury, Kent
REDMOND Boarder F 56 1835 Bethnal Green, London

Ancestry
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Clifton Buck
Name: Clifton Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Age: 47
Spouse Name: Charlotte Alexandra Bentley
Spouse Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Aug 1898
Parish: Mildmay Grove St Jude
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Buck a pedlar deceased
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Bentley
Register Type: Parish Register

Ancestry
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Charlotte Clifton Pearce
Name: Charlotte Clifton Pearce
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1901
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 95 (click to see others on page)

Ancestry
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emma Clifton Buck
Name: Emma Clifton Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 31
Spouse Name: William Robert McLaughlin
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 19 Jul 1908
Parish: Dalston St Philip
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Register

Ancestry
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emma Clifton Buck
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emma Clifton Buck
Name: Emma Clifton Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 31
Spouse Name: William Robert Mc Laughlin
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Jul 1908
Parish: Dalston St Philip
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Clifton Buck engineers labourer
Spouse Father Name: James Mc Laughlin blind fitter
Register Type: Parish Register
90 Eleanor Road

I think it is worth following Elizabeth on this census.
FMP
1881 census Address: 10, Royal Oak Walk, Shoreditch
BUCK, Charlotte Head Widow F 61 1820 Laundress Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Sarah Daughter Married F 22 1859 Fancy Box Maker Ashford, Kent
BUCK, Elzbth Lodger Widow F 63 1818 Monthly Nurse Middx City, Middlesex


???A spouse of a brother for William c1818
That would help you find the correct parents.
:-)

This is a possible but father is an umbrella maker.
Ancestry

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Charles Buck
Name: Charles Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1830
Father's Name: William Buck
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Lady Kira, thank you so much. That information is extremely useful. There's a lot to digest, but we tend to write everything down and keep paper copies as we find it easier to keep everything then in some sort of order. This is going to keep us really busy now updating our tree.

Best wishes,

Estelle

Just found this one.

Ancestry
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Georgina Clifton
Name: Georgina Clifton
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Jun 1879
Father's Name: William Clifton
Mother's Name: Emma Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

On the image her surname would be Clifton Buck but the vicar got in a muddle.

Just looking at a few of the trees on Ancestry.

one has this marriage for William 1818 (No Clifton)

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Martha Bateman
Name: Martha Bateman
Spouse Name: William Buck -a chairmaker
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Jul 1839
Parish: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Buck -a chairmaker
Register Type: Parish Register
They both lived Francis Street
no clue from witnesses.

I think you said his father should be William.
The professions are not quite right.

This looks like that couple in 1841 so not your William who is in Canterbury at that time.

FMP
1841 Address: Claremont Cottages, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
BUCK, Wm M 23 1818 Middlesex
BUCK, Martha F 21 1820 Middlesex
BUCK, Martha F 1 1840 Middlesex