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Wow, thank you so much. We have been printing everything off and now need to sit down and piece it all together properly.

I have contributed to the thread on Rootschat and made a good contact on there.

The help you have given has been amazing. We now have another puzzle. My husband has an unusual surname and we have found 2 children (without parents) living away from home in 1911. And we're not sure who they belong to.

However, if our research leads us nowhere I shall post on the correct board asking for help! :-)

Marriages Dec 1914
Buck William C Lager Shardlow 7b 1227
Lager Florence E Buck Shardlow 7b 1227

Interesting
A later William Clifton Buck in Melbourne derbyshire.
The name repeats more than once. I wonder if tracking this guy might lead somewhere.
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about William Clifton Buck
Name: William Clifton Buck
Probate Date: 1 Dec 1931
Death Date: 13 Nov 1931
Death Place: Derbyshire, England
Registry: London, England
Ancestry

I think this is the marriage of Hannah daughter of James.

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
BUCK Hannah Canterbury 2a 777
Carpenter Ann Canterbury 2a 777
NEWTON William Henry Canterbury 2a 777
TOWL James Canterbury 2a 777

Possible burial/candidate for father of William c1818


Parish Record Collection - Burial Record

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URN: 22830
Entry No: 1242
First name: William
Last name: BUCK
Abode: Georges Square
Date of burial: 17 Dec 1838
Year: 1838
Age at death: 58
Age in years: 58
Calculated year of birth: 1780
Place of burial: St Leonard's Shoreditch
County of burial: Middlesex
Record source: St Leonard Shoreditch Burials
Data provider: Society of Genealogists

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buckley/buck travellers in kent?
« on: Thursday 07 May 09 13:27 BST (UK) »
hello,ive posted about these elsewhere,but the more evidence i gather,the more it looks like they might have been travellers.elizabeth buckley is on the 1841 in canterbury, born 1821.with her are children henry born c1838,elizabeth born 1839 and mary born 1840.shes living with robert streeting born c1816.robert had a brother born c1818,theres no sign of him on 1841.there is a joint marriage in sheppey j/a/s 1841 5/487 for robert and thomas streeting.the spouses are elizabeth buckley and mary ann hagarty.the 1851 entry where robert and thomas are living next door to each other shows that robert married mary ann born ireland and thomas married elizabeth born england.her three children have become streeting.thomas and wife then vanish for the next 30 years,before he turns up with a new partner mary shaw in cranbrook,hes a marine store dealer.he marries mary in cranbrook in 1885.they have a daughter jane born 1862 birmingham.on the 1891,thomas is a general dealer,marys a hawker,living apart.thomas and elizabeths daughter mary ann streeting(buckley) born 1840 married my gggg grandmothers cousin william spain,a hawker/marine store/horse dealer.back to thomas and robert,they had a sister mary ann born c1822 canterbury who married daniel buck in canterbury in 1841.he was born london,middlesex in c1815,he was a licensed hawker and dealer in glass,china and earthenware.his siblings were born hoxton.his parents were james born 1796,melbourne,derbyshire,hawker of earthenware and mary born 1787,wittersley,leister.one more thing,on william spain/mary streetings marriage cert the witnesses were jane taylor and william blackman.theres a william blackman,general dealer,in canterbury at that time,and i believe blackmans a traveller name,given all this,does anyone think or know if elizabeth buckley was a traveller.buckley is a traveller name,but were there any in kent at that time?are any of these names/occupations known to be linked with buckleys?and did they ever shorten their name to buck.does anyone have any general info on the buckley family.anything that could be useful would be much appreciated,many thanks,nel.

fmp
1851Address: 17, "deal Castle Inn", Prospect Place, Deal
WATTS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 13 1838 Licensed Victualler
Deal, Kent
PARKER, Mary E Daughter Widow F 34 1817
Deal, Kent
PAUL, Susannah Daughter Married F 36 1815
Deal, Kent
PAUL, Caroline A Grand Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar
Deal, Kent
PAUL, Elizabeth A Grand Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Bridge, Kent VIEW
PAUL, Eliza J Grand Daughter F 5 1846 At Home
Deal, Kent VIEW
PAUL, Susannah Grand Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar
Deal, Kent
PAUL, William H Grand Son M 2 1849 At Home
Deal, Kent
BUCK, James Lodger Married M 62 1789 Licensed Hawker
Malbourn, Derbyshire
PARROTT, Mary A Lodger Widow F 40 1811 Licensed Hawker
Ospringe, Kent
READ, Henry Lodger Married M 48 1803 Licensed Hawker
London, Middlesex
READ, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 47 1804 Licensed Hawker
London, Middlesex
VELSEY, John A Lodger Unmarried M 21 1830 Licensed Hawker
St Alphage Canterbury, Kent

James away from home 1851

This is James birth on family search.
see place of birth. Loads from there . Just need to establish the connectionto William.

ames Buck
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Oct 1791 PENN LANE-?INDEPENDENT,?MELBOURNE,?DERBY,?ENGLAND
parents: John Buck,? Patience
name: James Buck
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Oct 1791
baptism/christening place: PENN LANE-INDEPENDENT,MELBOURNE,DERBY,ENGLAND
father's name: John Buck
mother's name: Patience
indexing project (batch) number: C06686-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0590684 (RG4 1083)

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Edward Buck
Name: Edward Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1823
Father's Name: James Buck - a hawker of earthenware
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
York Row Hoxton

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Mary Ann Buck
Name: Mary Ann Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1821
Father's Name: James Buck -a hawker
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
York Row Hoxton

and
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Buck
Name: John Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1819
Father's Name: James Buck
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
York Row Hoxton

and

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about James Buck
Name: James Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1816
Father's Name: James Buck -an ostler
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
lambs buildings Bunhill row

ancestry
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Hannah Buck
Name: Hannah Buck
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Oct 1828
Father's Name: James Buck -a hawker
Mother's Name: Mary Buck
Parish or Poor Law Union: City of London Lying-In Hospital, City Road, Finsbury
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Wallbrook place
Hoxton newtown

fmp
1871 Address: Colmore Street, Great Back House, Birmingham
BUCK, Daniel Head M 56 1815 Middlesex
BUCK, Mary A Wife F 48 1823 Kent
MAYNER, Daniel Nephew M 4 1867 Warwickshire

FMP
1871 Address: Salisbury Crescent, St Mary Newington
YEATS, Mary A Head F 50 1821 Middlesex
YEATS, George Son M 15 1856 Kent
YEATS, Caroline Daughter F 13 1858 Kent
YEATS, James Son M 9 1862 Surrey
YEATS, Chas Son M 5 1866 Surrey
BUCK, James Boarder M 82 1789 Derbyshire
WEST, W Boarder M 45 1826 Surrey
DUMBLE, Willm Boarder M 31 1840 Surrey
NASH, Thos Boarder M 20 1851 Middlesex

fmp
1861 Address: 14, Best Lane, All Saints, Canterbury
BUCK, James Head Married M 72 1789 Hawker Of...Canterbury
Melbourne, Derbyshire
BUCK, Mary Wife Married F 74 1787 Willesley, Leicestershire

fmp
1841 Address: Cross Street, St Dunstan
BUCK, James M 45 1796
BUCK, Mary F 50 1791
BUCK, Daniel M 25 1816
BUCK, Mary F 20 1821
BUCK, Mary F 15 1826 Kent
BUCK, Hannah F 12 1829

I know what you mean about the marriage witness being an engineer and therefore an unlikely friend to a Romany. But elsewhere William is referred to as hawker which I know was a common occupation for Romanies. Still, we are definitely getting somewhere.

That last one is interesting as there links to Hoxton and Canterbury, which tie in with William Buck. I wonder if this could be William's mother and siblings? I am going to try and find an old map of Canterbury to see if St Peters Place and St Peters Street are close to each other. Logic tells me they probably are.
This is all very exciting! I can't thank you enough for your help.

Ok I think we have something here.
FMP

1851 Address: 3, St Peters Place, Holy Cross Westgate Within, Canterbury
BUCK, Mary Wife Married F 61 1790 Hawker's Wife
Witerby, Leicestershire
BUCK, Daniel Son Married M 36 1815 Licensed Hawker
London, Middlesex
BUCK, Mary Ann Daughter Married F 28 1823 Licensed Hawker
Canterbury, Kent
BUCK, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 At Home
Hoxton, Middlesex

check the address and places of birth and they are hawkers.