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Hi...I am trying to find info on the parents of William John Dormer who was born approx 1872 in Thornborough, Buckinghamshire. His marriage and death certificates say his father was called Joseph Dormer and mother Martha Beasley ?...but I cannot find any record of their marriage or any census records showing them all together.

His service record lists his mother as Martha Ridgeway of Thornborough - Did she remarry?

How do you get a death cert that gives his mother's name??

His mum remarried not long after he was born

Marriages Sep 1882

DORMER Martha Buckingham 3a 937
Ridgway George Buckingham 3a 937

Hi Shirley.....he died in Stirling, Scotland. His death certificate is on Scotlands people website which gives death certificates which are over 50 years old and these include parents names.

Hi James i did wonder if it was Scotland after I posted :-)

revised 1881 census


1881 census transcription details for: Bridge Street, Thornborough

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1484
Folio: 94
Page: 21
Reg. District: Buckingham
Sub District: Leckhampstead
Parish: Thornborough
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bridge Street, Thornborough
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DORMER, Martha Head Widow F 43 1838 Dressmaker
Whaddesdon, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, John Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Whaddesdon, Buckinghamshire

1901

Name: Martha Ridgway
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Brill, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Thornborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornborough St Mary
Town: Thornborough
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Buckingham
Sub-registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 1365
Folio: 13
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Ridgway 63

Hi Shirley...thanks for 1881 census. Had already seen that one but it does not show William John Dormer who would have been approx 9 yrs old then so wonder where he was in 1881

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Births Jun 1871
Dormer William John B Aylesbury 3a 512

I deleted that 1881 one and reposted as he is with his mum who is widowed and he is down as John. They are living in THornborough

only finding this Beasley/Dormer marriage
Marriages Mar 1868
BEASLEY Emily Jane Wycombe 3a 501
BEASLY Emily Jane Wycombe 3a 501
Dormer Thomas Wycombe 3a 501


thats this couple tho!!
1881 census transcription details for: Flackwell Heath, Wycombe Old Borough

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1464
Folio: 122
Page: 25
Reg. District: Wycombe
Sub District: High Wycombe
Parish: Wycombe Old Borough
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Flackwell Heath, Wycombe Old Borough
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DORMER, Thomas Head Married M 33 1848 Plate Layer
Wooburn, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Emily Wife Married F 28 1853
Flackwell Heath, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Ann Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Flackwell Heath, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Fred Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Flackwell Heath, Buckinghamshire

I wonder if Martha married pre William J''s birth

Name: Martha Darmer
[Martha Dormer]
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Darmer
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Darmer
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Brill, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Silverstone
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Towcester
Sub-registration district: Abthorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 1736
Folio: 29
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Darmer 44
Sarah Ann Darmer 42
Susanna Darmer 21
Joseph Darmer 19
Edwin Darmer 14
Martha Darmer 13
John Darmer 11
Albert Darmer 9
Drucilla Darmer 7
Sarah Ann Darmer 4
Mary Ann Darmer 4 Mo

I see he joined up in Stirlingshiire in the early 1890,s and was in the Boar War

This family was living next door to Martha in 1881 - brother?

Name: Joseph Dormer
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Dormer
Gender: Male
Where born: Whaddesdon, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Thornborough
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Bridge Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gamekeeper

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub-registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1484
Folio: 93
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Dormer 49
Harriet Dormer 50
Elizabeth Dormer 23
James Dormer 20
John Dormer 16
Sarah Dormer 14
Alice Dormer 10
Emma Dormer 8

Wonder if she was really married??

1861 census transcription details for: Main Street, Maids Moreton, Buckingham

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 877
Folio: 62
Page: 17
Reg. District: Buckingham
Sub District: 1 Leckhampstead
Parish: Maids Moreton
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Buckingham
Address: Main Street, Maids Moreton, Buckingham
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DORMER, Sarah B Wife Married F 51 1810 Lace Maker
Calverton, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Henry Son Unmarried M 25 1836 Labourer
Waterloo, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Martha Daughter Unmarried F 23 1838 Lace Maker
Waterloo, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, John Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Labourer
Stowe, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Mary A Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Silverstone, Northamptonshire
DORMER, Hannah Daughter F 2 1859
Maids Moreton, Buckinghamshire


1871 census transcription details for: Woodham, Waddesdon


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1410
Folio: 119
Page: 21
Reg. District: Aylesbury
Sub District: Haddenham
Parish: Waddesdon
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Woodham, Waddesdon
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DORMER, Martha Head F 32 1839 Buckinghamshire


NOW she says she was born Waddesdon on the 1881 census!!

Cant see a Martha Beasley on the census BUT if she was then her dads name should reflect this on her marriage cert to Mr Ridgway

Hi...I looked at the marriage certificate for William John Dormer...he was married in Stirling on 2nd Oct 1896, and gives his age as 23 and he was a private in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. The cerificate shows father name as Joseph Dormer and mother as Martha Beasley. Certificate shows parents still to be alive in 1896 and father Joseph was a gamekeeper. There is a Joseph Dormer in the 1891 census in Buckinghamshire...aged 51 and born in Marlow in 1840 so was wondering if they were the correct parents. If so was wondering where they were at 1881 census...also 1891 census.

This is him as mother is Martha Ridgeway on his Attestation papers she is the only Person mentioned there...Father not mentioned.

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
about William John Dormer Name: William John Dormer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age at enlistment: 19
Birth Parish: Thornboro
Birth County: Buckinghamshire
Document Year: 1891
Regimental Number: 4140
Regiment Name: Arg & Soffolk Regiment
Number of images: 8

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Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Darvill Fanny Wycombe 3a 609
Dormer Joseph Wycombe 3a 609 xxxx
Pearce Martha Wycombe 3a 609 xxxx
Tucker William Wycombe 3a 609

The family I posted in 1881 living next door to Martha and William John, include a possible brother of Martha who is listed as Joseph Dormer who is listed as a gamekeeper.

As Shirley said the marrage cert of Martha to Mr Ridgway should confirm her father's name and would be a good way forward