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I have seen the name German before on census records.

I have just had a look at a site for old boys names and it gives this:-

Name:German:

Origin Latin - meaning Brother.

Origin Russian - meaning Soldier.

Kath. x

thanks for the help, lots to get going on - just a query rhoda swanns fathers name comes up as German Swann - does anyone know anything about that as a first name ?? just intrigued

Possible death for James Harry/Harold Ashman, although out of area:-

Name: ASHMAN, James H
Registration district: Ampthill
County: Bedfordshire
Year of registration: 1948
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 52
Volume no: 4A
Page no: 7

The birth year would be about right but only buying the certificate would tell you for sure if it's the right one.

Kath. x

John and Rhoda in the 1901 census - this time with James Harry:-

1901 census transcription details for: The Hall, Depden

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1752
Folio: 69
Page: 4
Reg. District: Thingoe
Sub District: Fornham
Parish: Depden
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Depden St Mary
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: The Hall, Depden
County: Suffolk

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

ASHMAN, John Head Married M 39 1862 Farm Bailiff
Wickhambrook, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Rhoda Wife Married F 39 1862
Ousden, Suffolk
ASHMAN, William German Son Single M 15 1886 Bailiff's Son
Ousden, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Annie Mary Daughter Single F 11 1890
Ousden, Suffolk
ASHMAN, James Harry Son Single M 5 1896
Depden, Suffolk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
CHALLIS, Elizabeth Servant Serv F 18 1883 Genl Servant Domestic
Wickhambrook, Suffolk

(son William's middle name is obviously after Rhoda's father who was called German).

Kath. x

John and Rhoda in the 1891 census after their marriage and before son James was born:-

1891 census transcription details for: 2, Mill Lane, Ousden

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1292
Folio: 212
Page: 9
Reg. District: Newmarket
Sub District: Cheveley
Parish: Ousden
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District: Ousden
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 2, Mill Lane, Ousden
County: Cambridgeshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

ASHMAN, John Head Married M 29 1862 Labourer
Wickhambrook, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Rhoda Wife Married F 28 1863
Ousden, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Ethel Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Ousden, Suffolk
ASHMAN, William Son M 5 1886
Ousden, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Annie Daughter F 1 1890
Ousden, Suffolk
ASHMAN, John Father Widower M 71 1820 Labourer
Wickhambrook, Suffolk

Kath. x

John William Ashman in the 1881 census:-

1881 census transcription details for: Cottage, Ousden (Suffolk)

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1679
Folio: 98
Page: 10
Reg. District: Newmarket
Sub District: Gazeley
Parish: Ousden (Suffolk)
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Cottage, Ousden (Suffolk)
County: Cambridgeshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

ASHMAN, John Head Married M 59 1822 Ag Lab
Wickhambrook, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Ann Wife Married F 55 1826 Serv
Wickhambrook, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 25 1856 Serv
Wickhambrook, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Hannah Daughter Single F 23 1858 Serv
Wickhambrook, Suffolk
ASHMAN, John W Son Single M 19 1862 Ag Lab
Wickhambrook, Suffolk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ASHMAN, Harry Son Single M 17 1864 Ag Lab
Wickhambrook, Suffolk
ASHMAN, Isabella Daughter Single F 15 1866 Serv
Wickhambrook, Suffolk

Kath. x

Rhoda in the 1881 census as a servant:-

1881 census transcription details for: Church Road Rectory, Chevington

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1837
Folio: 61
Page: 1
Reg. District: Thingoe
Sub District: Rougham
Parish: Chevington
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Church Road Rectory, Chevington
County: Suffolk

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

WHITE, John Head Married M 51 1830 Rector Of Chevington J.P.& Farmer Of 250 Acres Employing 9 Men And 1 Boy
Chevington, Suffolk
WHITE, Caroline M Wife Married F 46 1835 Rectors Wife
Handsworth, Staffordshire
WHITE, Frances E G Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Chevington, Suffolk
WHITE, George E Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Chevington, Suffolk
WHITE, Frederick A Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Chevington, Suffolk
WHITE, Henry J M Son Single M 3 1878
Chevington, Suffolk
MORTLOCK, Eliza Servant Single F 27 1854 Cook Domestic Servant
Shimpling, Suffolk
BREAM, Jane Servant Single F 23 1858 Housemaid Domestic Servant
Fornham, Suffolk
SWANN, Rhoda Servant Single F 19 1862 Parlourmaid Domestic Servant
Ousden, Suffolk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

Here is Rhoda Swann in the 1871 census with her parents:-

1871 census transcription details for: Upper Street, Ousden

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1599
Folio: 82
Page: 14
Reg. District: Newmarket
Sub District: Gazeley
Parish: Ousden
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Upper Street, Ousden
County: Cambridgeshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

SWANN, German Head M 35 1836 Suffolk
SWANN, Mary A Wife F 40 1831 Suffolk
SWANN, Malinda Daughter F 16 1855 Suffolk
SWANN, George Son M 12 1859 Suffolk
SWANN, Rhoda Daughter F 9 1862 Suffolk<<<<<<<<<<<<
SWANN, William Son M 7 1864 Suffolk
SWANN, James Son M 5 1866 Suffolk
SWANN, Ann Daughter F 3 1868 Suffolk

Kath. x

I think this is James Harold Ashman's birth:-


Name: ASHMAN, James Harry (note it's Harry and not Harold)
Registration district: Thingoe
County: Suffolk
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 4A
Page no: 774

Thingoe registration district covers Depden which is given as James's birth place on the 1911 census.

Kath. x

Michelle said that her grandad's father's mother had the surname Swann, so I think what we have found is correct. It's her grandad's grandmother who is Rhoda Swann.

Unless I have completely lost the plot with this, lol.

Kath. x

My aunt has just said that it was john ashman who married rhoda, their son was james.

Right i think certificates are needed then. so john ashman married rhoda not james. I'll looki nto certificates then.
thanks

There is a site which you can use to find BMD info...without cost

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

BUT James Harold Ashman did not marry Rhoda Swann

Looks like you will have to buy some certs to confirm the middle name of James and what the name and occupation of his father was.

This looks like your grandad's father in 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: Hall Farm Stetchworth Near Newmarket

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9169 RG78PN488 RD183 SD1 ED8 SN140
Reg. District: Newmarket
Sub District: Cheveley
Parish: Sketchworth
Enum. District: 8

Address: Hall Farm Stetchworth Near Newmarket
County: Cambridgeshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

ASHMAN, John Head Married
28 years M 49 1862 Cowman Private Estate Suffolk Wickhambrook
ASHMAN, Rhoda Wife Married F 49 1862 Suffolk Ousden
ASHMAN, James Son Single M 15 1896 Houseboy Domestic Suffolk Depden<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
JOLLY, Harry Boarder Single M 26 1885 Gane Keeper Cambs Stetchworth
LANCASTER, Annie Servant F 15 1896 General Servant Cambs Newmarket

Kath. x

Hi thankyou for the help so far, i have a son with special needs who takes alot of care so will pop back and forth to check as i can. What i know for definate is that my grandad was definately harold frederick james ashman born 1926, died 1984. His mother was called sarah stratford. His father i have heard but am not 100% on is james harold ashman who married rhoda swann. Thats all i know and yes i am new to this ! i don not have any parents to ask and i unearthed some old photos so i want to find out what i can so i can answer some of my childrens questions too .

thanks agan

John Ashman and wife Rhoda are on 1911 census in Newmarket but they do have a James Ashman b1896

I have sent a pm to Michelle in case she doesn't know that she needs to return to the thread. Some newbies seem to think they will get an email telling them they have answers.

Kath. x

I think we may be mixing up two families. This is the Ashman/Swann marriage:-


Name: ASHMAN, John William
Registration district: Newmarket
County: Cambridgeshire
Year of registration: 1883
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 3B
Page no: 899

MarriageFinder: John William Ashman married one of the following people:

MIDDLEDITCH, Caroline
SWANN, Rhoda<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PHILLIPS, Frederick

Kath. x