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I am trying to find out information on my grandads side of the family. His name was harold frederick james ashman, his father i believe was james harold and the next two generations are john ashmans.His fathers mothers side have the surname swann. My grandads mother was sarah stratford.
Any information if anyone has any would be greatly appreciated.

When ?

Where ?

What certs or census info do you have ?

This is probably your grandad's parent's marriage:-


Name: ASHMAN, James H
Registration district: St. Olave Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1925
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Stratford
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 255

Name: STRATFORD, Sarah L
Registration district: St. Olave Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1925
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Ashman
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 255

If you buy the certificate it should hopefully name both their father's names. You can then look for the families in the 1911 census.

Kath. x

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Births Sep 1926 (>99%)
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Ashman Harold F J Stratford Brentford 3a 153

This looks like your grandad's mother in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 59 Marigold Street Bermondsey

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1904 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED36 SN231
Reg. District: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Sub District: Bermondsey
Parish: Bermondsey
Enum. District: 36

Address: 59 Marigold Street Bermondsey
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

STRATFORD, Frederick John Head Married M 30 1881 Labourer Bermondsey L E
STRATFORD, Agnes Wife Married
9 years F 29 1882 Bethnal Green
STRATFORD, Sarah Lousa Daughter Single F 8 1903 Bermondsey S E<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

Is James actually James Harold or James Hector ?

EDIT - THIS SEEMS TO BE THE WRONG FAMILY.

I have deleted the census record I posted as it was the wrong family and don't want to confuse anyone.

Kath. x

What evidence do you have that the father of James is John ?

If the census already given is the correct family then the previous two generations are both called James and not John.

Kath. x

Agree Kath

So we need feedback from the poster

I have deleted the 1871 census record I posted as it was the wrong family and don't want to confuse.

Kath. x

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Name: Sarah Louise Ashman
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1903
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1979
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Hounslow
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 1206


So lets see where the possible James H Ashman died



Right area for this one
Name: James Hecotr Ashman
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1900
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1981
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Hounslow
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 1315


Oh bother same area
Name: James H Ashman
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1965
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: Hounslow
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 496


So back to square one

I think we may be mixing up two families. This is the Ashman/Swann marriage:-


Name: ASHMAN, John William
Registration district: Newmarket
County: Cambridgeshire
Year of registration: 1883
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 3B
Page no: 899

MarriageFinder: John William Ashman married one of the following people:

MIDDLEDITCH, Caroline
SWANN, Rhoda<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PHILLIPS, Frederick

Kath. x

I have sent a pm to Michelle in case she doesn't know that she needs to return to the thread. Some newbies seem to think they will get an email telling them they have answers.

Kath. x

John Ashman and wife Rhoda are on 1911 census in Newmarket but they do have a James Ashman b1896

Hi thankyou for the help so far, i have a son with special needs who takes alot of care so will pop back and forth to check as i can. What i know for definate is that my grandad was definately harold frederick james ashman born 1926, died 1984. His mother was called sarah stratford. His father i have heard but am not 100% on is james harold ashman who married rhoda swann. Thats all i know and yes i am new to this ! i don not have any parents to ask and i unearthed some old photos so i want to find out what i can so i can answer some of my childrens questions too .

thanks agan

This looks like your grandad's father in 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: Hall Farm Stetchworth Near Newmarket

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9169 RG78PN488 RD183 SD1 ED8 SN140
Reg. District: Newmarket
Sub District: Cheveley
Parish: Sketchworth
Enum. District: 8

Address: Hall Farm Stetchworth Near Newmarket
County: Cambridgeshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

ASHMAN, John Head Married
28 years M 49 1862 Cowman Private Estate Suffolk Wickhambrook
ASHMAN, Rhoda Wife Married F 49 1862 Suffolk Ousden
ASHMAN, James Son Single M 15 1896 Houseboy Domestic Suffolk Depden<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
JOLLY, Harry Boarder Single M 26 1885 Gane Keeper Cambs Stetchworth
LANCASTER, Annie Servant F 15 1896 General Servant Cambs Newmarket

Kath. x

Looks like you will have to buy some certs to confirm the middle name of James and what the name and occupation of his father was.

BUT James Harold Ashman did not marry Rhoda Swann

There is a site which you can use to find BMD info...without cost

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/