Genealogy Chat

Hello Janice,
Yes i've spoken to my mum and she thinks it must be Renee. Which is what everyone knew her as, Mum had no idea she was called Bertha and they lost touch, so no idea she had children around the same age as Mum. I will try and find the names, don't worry, you've helped me lots! Thank you.

I'm also certain i've got the right Albert that died in the war, as my Nan has said Grandad told her he died in WW1 and he was in the Royal Engineers which all ties in.
Helen

Hi Helen,

I didn't put the names of the children on here because they are probably still alive, but you can find them yourself on freeBMD.

I haven't pursued possible marriages/children for them but will do if you want.

Janice

PS Perhaps Bertha didn't like her name and used Irene instead?

Hello Janice, I missed your last message earlier and have just seen it about Bertha - I am so grateful for this information. My mum never even knew she had an Aunt Bertha, let alone children born around her age. Its very bemusing why she never visited my grandad. She will be so pleased with this info. Many thanks.

Thank you to MGNV as well, very useful info about the neighbours.

Thank you Christina and Janice, thats really interesting and i'll see if my Nan knows of a William Wallace.

Bertha married in 1935

Marriages Jun 1935

Darville Bertha I Harper Willesden 3a 875
Harper John F Darville Willesden 3a 875

2 children, boy and girl, born 1944 and 1945

Name: Bertha Irene Harper
Birth Date: 19 May 1912
Date of Registration: Jan 1997
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Bexley
Inferred County: Kent
Register Number: A27A
District and Subdistrict: 2201A
Entry number: 174

133 High Road in 1934

Bertha Irene ********* so she didn't die
Rose Miriam, Sarah Emily,
William Wallace
Arthur William and Emily May Hurst

Sydney Albert Darville is included with the above in 1935 - same address

Bertha not included 1936

Expanding on Roses's 1911:
Albert Darvill 28 Kilburn, London, England Head M House Painter
Sarah Darvill 25 Isleworth, Middlesex, England Wife M Shirt Machinist Laundry
Emily Darvill 5 Willesden, Middlesex, England Daughter
Rose Darvill 1 Willesden, Middlesex, England Daughter
[Years Married: 6; 4 live births; 2 still living]
In the early 1960s, the deepest hole in the UK was a 2000' (don't recall exactly) deep artesian well for a laundry in Stonebridge Park.
I never did find out exactly where it was - maybe Sarah worked there?

Here's a couple of neighbours

1911 England Census
Civil parish: Willesden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Disraeli Road, Actor Lane, Willesden
Registration district: Willesden
Registration District Number: 129
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Piece: 7030 [Household schedule number: 258]

Henry William Darvill 30 Chalfont Giles, Buckinghamshire, England Head M Platelayers on Railway
Ada Darvill 37 Chalfont Giles, Buckinghamshire, England Wife M
William Roberts Darvill 15 Chalfont Giles, Buckinghamshire, England Son of wife Van Boy
Lizzie Darvill 9 Willesden, Middlesex, England Daughter
Ada Darvill 7 Willesden, Middlesex, England Daughter
Rose Darvill 5 Willesden, Middlesex, England Daughter
[Years Married: 10 3 live births 3 still living]
Harlesden tube station is on Acton Lane

1911 England Census
Civil parish: Willesden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 101 Shakespeare Avenue, Stonebridge, Harlesden N W
Registration district: Willesden
Registration District Number: 129
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Household schedule number: 187
Piece: 7026 [Household schedule number: 187]

Francis George Darvill 29 Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire, England Head M Railway Engine Stoker
Mabel Darvill 30 Monks Risborough, Buckinghamshire, England Wife M
Rose Darvill 3 Taunton, Somerset, England Daughter
Ralph Darvill 2 Taunton, Somerset, England Daughter
[Years Married: 5; 3 live births; 2 still living]
Shakespeare is one street over from Carlyle - the E end now renamed Lawrence Ave


Willesden RD didn't exist until 1909q4 - before that, it was Hendon.
NB it's only 600m walk from West Hampstead tube to Kilburn High Rd.

1931, same 3 people at 64 Crest Road, Cricklewood

In 1929 the eligible voters at no 12 are

Sarah Emily and Emily Darville and a chap called William Wallace.

According to the Electoral Rolls, Sarah Darville was the only one eligible to vote, at 12 Lincoln Mews, Willesden, from 1922 to 1928

Mordaunt Rd is just NW of Harlesden tube station.
It used to run between (and parallel to) the train track & Harrow Rd.
After 200m, there's a slight kink in the road, just E of Shelley Rd.
There it turned into Carlyle, and ran all the way to the Stonebridge Rec Grounds.
Nowadays, Carlyle has been renamed to Mordaunt. Milton is the next street to the S, next to the railway.

Thanks so much for your time helping me. Yes the ones on the 1911 census are the right ones, Emily and Rose are my great aunts and I even remember Great Uncle Sid. I think Bertha died at birth along with Harold. My grandad is Harry R born in 1918. Its odd that there's a birth record for Albert in Jun 1882 in Hampstead and not Willesden. I am definately going to order that certificate and the death cert for 1939.
Thanks again.

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)


Darville Bertha I Bowden Hendon 3a 724


Births Jun 1914 (>99%)


DARVILLE Sidney A BOWDEN Willesden 3a 614


Births Dec 1918 (98%)


Darville Harry R Bowden Willesden 3a 354

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)


Darville Harold W Bowden Willesden 3a 559

He's not put an e on the end for his marriage either

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)


Bowden Sarah Emily E Hendon 3a 535
Darvill Albert Edward Hendon 3a 535

1911 England Census
about Albert Darvill Name: Albert Darvill
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kilburn, London, England
Civil parish: Willesden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 61 Carlyle Avenue, Harlesden N W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: House Painter
Registration district: Willesden
Registration District Number: 129
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 7025
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Darvill 28
Sarah Darvill 25
Emily Darvill 5
Rose Darvill 1

Agggh. Never thought about removing the 'e'. Well done RR :-P :-D

??

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)

Darvill Albert Edward Hampstead 1a [86]46

Thank you so much for all your replies! I am going to look into the one that died in 1939, but I do know that the Albert that died in the war was born in Willesden, so I think it is him. My Nan seems to remember Grandad not knowing his Dad.

I have got Albert and Sarah's marriage certificate, they were married in August 1904 and his age then was 22 so it would put his birth in 1882.


I haven't got Alberts birth certificate, the address on the sons is 12 Lincoln Mews, Willesden Lane, Kilburn. The marriage certificate is 20 Albert Terrace, Milton Ave, Willesden.

I really appreciate your comments.
Thank you
Helen

I wonder if this is relevant? for the 'Albert' that did survive the war

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)


Balch Dorothy L Darville Willesden 3a 644
Darville Bertie Belch Willesden 3a 644 <<<

This is the only Albert E Darville I can find on FreeBMD. Search period Mar 1870 to Dec 1903. Obviously the second name is different. Looked for Albert and no second initial but still the same result.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
DARVILLE Albert Edgar Shoreditch 1c 71