Genealogy Chat

Hello,

I am researching my great grandfather, Albert Edward Darville, born in Willesden in 1882. My grandfather was born in October 1918 and on his birth certificate it says Albert's name as the father. However, I have discovered that Albert died in WW1 in Oct 1917. This is in various records and on the death certificate. He died in Brussels. I have also discovered that his wife Sarah Emily Darville had another child after my grandad, in 1920, who died at birth. On his birth certificate it also states the father as Albert Darville, occupation house painter, which was his occupation before the war! So 3 years after his death she has put him as the father.

Its very annoying as i can't go any further now with my searching. I know i'm clutching at straws but does anyone know how accurate the war death records were, surely not that many years wrong! Do you think women would have put their dead husband down as the father to save her looking bad? I'm certain i've found the right Albert Darville.

Thank you!!

As she was a married woman...even though her husband had died, she would still really need to use his name

I'm pretty sure that war records would be more factual than the birth certificates!

However, there was more than one Albert Edward Darville born roughly the same time so are you sure the WW1 death is yours?

What is the address on the birth certs?

Are you aware of this death? It would make the birth year 1884 so only two years out.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1939 (>99%)
Darville Albert E 55 London C. 1c 7

When did they marry? I can't find a marriage.

There are 2 on the medal card indexes

This is the only Albert E Darville I can find on FreeBMD. Search period Mar 1870 to Dec 1903. Obviously the second name is different. Looked for Albert and no second initial but still the same result.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
DARVILLE Albert Edgar Shoreditch 1c 71

I wonder if this is relevant? for the 'Albert' that did survive the war

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)


Balch Dorothy L Darville Willesden 3a 644
Darville Bertie Belch Willesden 3a 644 <<<

Thank you so much for all your replies! I am going to look into the one that died in 1939, but I do know that the Albert that died in the war was born in Willesden, so I think it is him. My Nan seems to remember Grandad not knowing his Dad.

I have got Albert and Sarah's marriage certificate, they were married in August 1904 and his age then was 22 so it would put his birth in 1882.


I haven't got Alberts birth certificate, the address on the sons is 12 Lincoln Mews, Willesden Lane, Kilburn. The marriage certificate is 20 Albert Terrace, Milton Ave, Willesden.

I really appreciate your comments.
Thank you
Helen

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Births Jun 1882 (>99%)

Darvill Albert Edward Hampstead 1a [86]46

Agggh. Never thought about removing the 'e'. Well done RR :-P :-D

1911 England Census
about Albert Darvill Name: Albert Darvill
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kilburn, London, England
Civil parish: Willesden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 61 Carlyle Avenue, Harlesden N W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: House Painter
Registration district: Willesden
Registration District Number: 129
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 7025
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Darvill 28
Sarah Darvill 25
Emily Darvill 5
Rose Darvill 1

He's not put an e on the end for his marriage either

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)


Bowden Sarah Emily E Hendon 3a 535
Darvill Albert Edward Hendon 3a 535

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)


Darville Bertha I Bowden Hendon 3a 724


Births Jun 1914 (>99%)


DARVILLE Sidney A BOWDEN Willesden 3a 614


Births Dec 1918 (98%)


Darville Harry R Bowden Willesden 3a 354

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)


Darville Harold W Bowden Willesden 3a 559

Thanks so much for your time helping me. Yes the ones on the 1911 census are the right ones, Emily and Rose are my great aunts and I even remember Great Uncle Sid. I think Bertha died at birth along with Harold. My grandad is Harry R born in 1918. Its odd that there's a birth record for Albert in Jun 1882 in Hampstead and not Willesden. I am definately going to order that certificate and the death cert for 1939.
Thanks again.

Mordaunt Rd is just NW of Harlesden tube station.
It used to run between (and parallel to) the train track & Harrow Rd.
After 200m, there's a slight kink in the road, just E of Shelley Rd.
There it turned into Carlyle, and ran all the way to the Stonebridge Rec Grounds.
Nowadays, Carlyle has been renamed to Mordaunt. Milton is the next street to the S, next to the railway.

According to the Electoral Rolls, Sarah Darville was the only one eligible to vote, at 12 Lincoln Mews, Willesden, from 1922 to 1928

In 1929 the eligible voters at no 12 are

Sarah Emily and Emily Darville and a chap called William Wallace.

1931, same 3 people at 64 Crest Road, Cricklewood