Genealogy Chat

hi ive just been looking up on lancashirebmd and have come up with what i think could be my g.g grandmother(but still not 1OO% sure)when i tried to order the cert online,it wouldnot let me(you could only print the form off,as the option for online ordering was not working)im spitting feathers as i do not have a printer at the moment.i wonder if someone could look her up on the 1901(the nearest census to when she was born) the details ive found on lancashirebmd are as follows,
Isabel m macdonald ,born 1895 reg liverpool.
ref num. wdm/84/81 west derby municipal.
i would like her address,parents names,and any siblings.thank you. :-D :-D

If you wish to order the cert, you can do so from the GRO...............follow the link through from freebmd

I didn't think you could order on line from lancs bmd.............

Who did this woman marry?

thanks flick.yes i do want the cert so will try that tomorrow.x :-D

Name: Isabel May Macdonald
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1895
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 588

i dont know.cant find a marriage cert for her anywhere,only got granddads birth cert with her name on.x have got a few marriage certs but they turn out not to be her,to old on one and a widow marrying for the second time on the other one.x

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MACDONALD, Isabel May
Address: 25 Maxton Road Molyneux Road Liverpool

MACDONALD, David Head Married M 45 1866 Sergeant Of Police Rosshire Urrah Resident VIEW
MACDONALD, Barbara Wife Married
19 years F 46 1865 Rosshire Stornsway Resident VIEW
MACDONALD, Barbara Georgina Daughter Single F 18 1893 Clerk Manufacturer Liverpool Kensington VIEW
MACDONALD, Isabel May Daughter Single F 15 1896 Pawnbrokers Assistant Liverpool Kensington VIEW
MACDONALD, George Alfred Son M 8 1903 School Liverpool Kensington VIEW
MACDONALD, Percy Sutherland Son M 8 1903 School Liverpool Kensington VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22616 Reference:
RG14PN22616 RG78PN1327 RD455 SD10 ED6 SN327

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Eastern Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
West Derby

thank you flick. :-D

So, if there's no father named, she didn't marry.........

When was her son born?

What was her exact name on the birth cert?

And was her occupation recorded?

son born 27th feb 1915.mothers name on cert ella macdonald(ella short for isabel or isabella)no father on cert but she may have married later.child adopted in 1916.born west derby liverpool.been trying to find her since 2004.my nan gave me some info several yrs ago,but shes 95 now and her memory is not good.

Ella is also a name in its own right................

The shortened version Isabel(la) is usually Bella

Are you assuming that because the son was born in the Liverpool area, his mother was also born there?

She could have gone to Liverpool just for the birth............

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Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Brookes Thomas Macdonald Toxteth P. 8b 312
Macdonald Ella Brookes Toxteth P. 8b 312

Person: MACDONALD, Ella
Address: 14 Longfellow Street Liverpool


MACDONALD, Louisa Head Widow F 56 1855 Housewife Whitehaven Underland VIEW
MACDONALD, James Son Single M 33 1878 General Labourer Cumberland Priiziington VIEW
MACDONALD, Ella Daughter Single F 25 1886 Domestic Servant Liverpool Lancs VIEW
COWMAN, Harriet Boarder Widow F 50 1861 Music Teacher Liverpool Lancs VIEW
KNOWLES, Albert Boarder M 13 1898 School Liverpool Lancs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22280 Reference:
RG14PN22280 RG78PN1317 RD454 SD4 ED2 SN9

Registration District:
Toxteth Park Sub District:
Toxteth Park East Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Toxteth Park


Is there an address on the birth cert?

hi flick.
no im not assuming that my g grandmother was born in liverpool,in 2001 i went with my husband to the highlands of scotland for 2wks to research an ella macdonald born 1898 in a place called archiestown.she came to liverpool with her parents sometime before the 1901 census.we searched and searched and couldnt come up with any positive information about her.
the above marriage cert ive got.ella macdonald was a widow age 30 when she married thomas brookes in 1916.i really have searched everywhere for the elusive ella macdonald,ive even tried swapping the macdonald for mcdonald but to no avail.thank you for all of your help tonight.x

to answer your question about address(i think we are crossing one another with the typing)granddad was born in 17 beaconfield st toxteth park.his mother was a domestic/housemaid. ive had a search done on the house and other things by the liverpool records office and they came up with nothing.house was a normal house owned by a miss brown i think.
grandad was born on the 21st feb and not the 27th like i said in my post(my brother wasborn on the 27th feb andi alwaysget them mixed up sorry.)

just been looking up the ella macdonald born logfellow st.
cant find a birth.or parents marriage(but parents could have married elsewhere) dad not on 1911 but mum stated as a housewife?maybe he was away at sea or in jail?x :-D

Re Flick's 1911:

I would imagine Stornsway is meant to be Stornaway.
It is the main town on the Island of Lewis and Harris, lying in the Lewis (Ross) part.

I would imagine Urrah is Urray - it is a 30m long parish now, running from Beauly Firth (which extends E from Inverness) just N of Beauly.
The parish runs along the boundary of Invernessshire, almost across Scotland.
The boundaries of the parish were altered in 1891, with a swap of small cross-border portions with Kilmorack parish in Inverness;
a detached portion of Urray was transferred to Contin parish (the neighbouring parish to the N);
a detached portion of Urray was united with the main portion by transferring the intervening land from Contin parish,

My guess is that David would use the 1861 boundaries for his pob, if he did happen to live in one of the affected portions of the parish, but he most likely lived in the main portion.
My dad had an uncle who was similarly affected by boundary changes, and I, myself, usually claim to have lived in non-existant county of Middlesex.


Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
Beck Martha Jane W. Derby 8b 955
Macdonald David W. Derby 8b 955
Macleon Barbara W. Derby 8b 955
Stewart James Alexander S W. Derby 8b 955
[The blurry image does appear to say Macleon, but the local index gives the much more likely Lewis surname of Macleod]

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MACDONALD David MACLEOD Barbara West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/134/109

Pity they didn't marry in Scotland - the m.cert would then have been much more helpful.

Maps showing Scottish parishes are available at
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/

thank you very much for that info mgnv very interesting.x :-D

hi ive done some look ups on the info given by the genes helpers,flick and mgnv and im going to leave the david and barbara macdonald and go with the longfellow st macdonalds.
my family was from the same area,and i was born two streets away in wendall st in 1964.(my mums auntlived in longfellow st during the 60s) and also ella (longfellow st)was down as a domestic servant in the 1911 census age 15.my grandfathers mother wasalso down asadomestic on this birth cert in 1915.need to find out where ellas father was at the time of the 1911 census(hes not on the household list)could have been at sea or in prison,will try and find him now.thanks for the help.if anyone else wants to add,please feel free.x :-D EDIT ella was 25 in the 1911 not 15 sorry my mistake.x