Genealogy Chat

Happy hunting,

Ozi

OZBIRD
the census that you sent me from the 1901 census for loisa mcdonald ,mother of ella age 14,address tunnel rd.is the same family that flick found in the 1911 census living in longfellow st,and its the one that im going with.thank you so much for taking the time to look for me.x

hello.sorry ive not replied to recent posts but ive been at work all day and didnt finish until 8.30pm.
ozbird thank ypu for that most valuable information,will cheak it againsed my notes tomorrow.
kim .thank you for that,will ask a genes member to look up for me,(im in the middle of trying to sort out the cheapest subscription at the min).
mgnv thanks for that,may need to get some certs soon.x

1881 England Census
Name: Irving Mc Donald
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louise Mc Donald
Gender: Male
Where born: Keswick, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Crooked Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Warehouseman

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3613
Folio: 40
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Irving Mc Donald 41
Louise Mc Donald 40
Irving Jnr. Mc Donald 9
James C. Mc Donald 7
William C. Mc Donald
Ellen Williams 43 - Boarder
Almira Williams 22 - Boarder


Marriages Mar 1873
McDonald Irving Whitehaven 10b 828
Mills Louisa Victoria Whitehaven 10b 828

1891 England Census
Name: Ella McDonald
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Louisa McDonald
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Dunstan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 13 Wrayburn St

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
Piece: 2996
Folio: 35
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa McDonald 48
Irving McDonald 16
James C McDonald 14
Alice McDonald 12
Margaret McDonald 7
Annie McDonald 6
Ella McDonald 5
Mark Owen 22 - Boarder
John Owen 20 - Boarder
Catherin Orr 37 - Visitor
Annie McDonald 4 - Visitor
Lena McDonald 8/12 - Visitor

1901 England Census
Name: Louisa Macdonald
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 166 Tunnel Rd

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
Piece: 3493
Folio: 55
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa Macdonald 44
Alice Macdonald 22
Maggie Macdonald 18
Annie Macdonald 16
Ella Macdonald 14
Joseph Dunning 17 - nephew
Albert Knowles 2 - Adopted son
Frederick Glover 24 - boarder
Rose Gamble 5 - visitor

Flick - apart from Lancashire (i.e., Preston) you can't order thru Lancs BMD, but you can order online at a number of ROs - see:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/copy_certificates

For Lancs, this includes Blackpool, Bolton, Liverpool, Manchester, Salford, Sefton, Tameside, Trafford.

hi ive done some look ups on the info given by the genes helpers,flick and mgnv and im going to leave the david and barbara macdonald and go with the longfellow st macdonalds.
my family was from the same area,and i was born two streets away in wendall st in 1964.(my mums auntlived in longfellow st during the 60s) and also ella (longfellow st)was down as a domestic servant in the 1911 census age 15.my grandfathers mother wasalso down asadomestic on this birth cert in 1915.need to find out where ellas father was at the time of the 1911 census(hes not on the household list)could have been at sea or in prison,will try and find him now.thanks for the help.if anyone else wants to add,please feel free.x :-D EDIT ella was 25 in the 1911 not 15 sorry my mistake.x

thank you very much for that info mgnv very interesting.x :-D

Re Flick's 1911:

I would imagine Stornsway is meant to be Stornaway.
It is the main town on the Island of Lewis and Harris, lying in the Lewis (Ross) part.

I would imagine Urrah is Urray - it is a 30m long parish now, running from Beauly Firth (which extends E from Inverness) just N of Beauly.
The parish runs along the boundary of Invernessshire, almost across Scotland.
The boundaries of the parish were altered in 1891, with a swap of small cross-border portions with Kilmorack parish in Inverness;
a detached portion of Urray was transferred to Contin parish (the neighbouring parish to the N);
a detached portion of Urray was united with the main portion by transferring the intervening land from Contin parish,

My guess is that David would use the 1861 boundaries for his pob, if he did happen to live in one of the affected portions of the parish, but he most likely lived in the main portion.
My dad had an uncle who was similarly affected by boundary changes, and I, myself, usually claim to have lived in non-existant county of Middlesex.


Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
Beck Martha Jane W. Derby 8b 955
Macdonald David W. Derby 8b 955
Macleon Barbara W. Derby 8b 955
Stewart James Alexander S W. Derby 8b 955
[The blurry image does appear to say Macleon, but the local index gives the much more likely Lewis surname of Macleod]

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MACDONALD David MACLEOD Barbara West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/134/109

Pity they didn't marry in Scotland - the m.cert would then have been much more helpful.

Maps showing Scottish parishes are available at
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/

just been looking up the ella macdonald born logfellow st.
cant find a birth.or parents marriage(but parents could have married elsewhere) dad not on 1911 but mum stated as a housewife?maybe he was away at sea or in jail?x :-D

to answer your question about address(i think we are crossing one another with the typing)granddad was born in 17 beaconfield st toxteth park.his mother was a domestic/housemaid. ive had a search done on the house and other things by the liverpool records office and they came up with nothing.house was a normal house owned by a miss brown i think.
grandad was born on the 21st feb and not the 27th like i said in my post(my brother wasborn on the 27th feb andi alwaysget them mixed up sorry.)

hi flick.
no im not assuming that my g grandmother was born in liverpool,in 2001 i went with my husband to the highlands of scotland for 2wks to research an ella macdonald born 1898 in a place called archiestown.she came to liverpool with her parents sometime before the 1901 census.we searched and searched and couldnt come up with any positive information about her.
the above marriage cert ive got.ella macdonald was a widow age 30 when she married thomas brookes in 1916.i really have searched everywhere for the elusive ella macdonald,ive even tried swapping the macdonald for mcdonald but to no avail.thank you for all of your help tonight.x

Person: MACDONALD, Ella
Address: 14 Longfellow Street Liverpool


MACDONALD, Louisa Head Widow F 56 1855 Housewife Whitehaven Underland VIEW
MACDONALD, James Son Single M 33 1878 General Labourer Cumberland Priiziington VIEW
MACDONALD, Ella Daughter Single F 25 1886 Domestic Servant Liverpool Lancs VIEW
COWMAN, Harriet Boarder Widow F 50 1861 Music Teacher Liverpool Lancs VIEW
KNOWLES, Albert Boarder M 13 1898 School Liverpool Lancs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22280 Reference:
RG14PN22280 RG78PN1317 RD454 SD4 ED2 SN9

Registration District:
Toxteth Park Sub District:
Toxteth Park East Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Toxteth Park


Is there an address on the birth cert?

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Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Brookes Thomas Macdonald Toxteth P. 8b 312
Macdonald Ella Brookes Toxteth P. 8b 312

Are you assuming that because the son was born in the Liverpool area, his mother was also born there?

She could have gone to Liverpool just for the birth............

Ella is also a name in its own right................

The shortened version Isabel(la) is usually Bella

son born 27th feb 1915.mothers name on cert ella macdonald(ella short for isabel or isabella)no father on cert but she may have married later.child adopted in 1916.born west derby liverpool.been trying to find her since 2004.my nan gave me some info several yrs ago,but shes 95 now and her memory is not good.

So, if there's no father named, she didn't marry.........

When was her son born?

What was her exact name on the birth cert?

And was her occupation recorded?

thank you flick. :-D