Genealogy Chat

Oh? Your quite close to me then? Im Wisbech.

I think you may have sent me a link once about the Drakes living at Eye? I may be muddled on that one) My grandmothers sister Bella's family, tho we always say cousins, who have a lot to do with Greyhounds..

My Cd featured nearly the whole of their family lined up beside their caravans, each with Greyhound on a lead! What a fantastic photo for future generations. We are all settled now and the culture I grew up with will soon disappear from my family...and others I expect. Thats life.

I get what you mean about the boarder thing, thanks Cheryl...

Fingers crossed for some break-through's !

Rosie

Rosie,
Don't forget that county boundaries changed often and maybe he was born on the boundary line.

I live in Peterborough, am 50 years old and I remember it being Northamptonshire, Huntingdonshire and it's now cambridgeshire.

Lincs and Notts are neighbours afterall.

Good luck with your search too.

Cheryl

Thanks once Cheryl

What a lovely story. You know back in those day I think the most unlikely of things happened as men and woman struggled to survive..looks like we may be heading back to that kind of survival from what I hear and read, but pray not.

I cant give up. There is some kind of answer and one day it may slot into place.

Good luck with yours...or Kushti Bok if you understand Romani..

Rosie

hi Flip,

I get what your saying...but there is deffinate link to the name Price, be it a false identity, or a birth name.

He is one and the same man as George Parnham. The property he died in was bought by George Attrick Price, And a report I have states Parnham as an assumed name.

So, it leaves me with this puzzle that I may never solve. Where did he get the name? Or was it all just A'ttrick?

He does state he was born in Notts....while Parham connection states Lincs....Have been checking all for birth.

every once in a while I try again..but it makes my head hurt!

Rosie,
It does sound like you are piecing it together a little at a time.

I solved something only this week. We had a relative who moved from London to market Harborough after his wife died and no one knew why. Well this week, with the help of people on here, I have solved it (almost). We don't know why he chose to move there but we know who he went with and how they knew each other and most probably why they went. We just don't know why they chose that town. He was buried with no grave marker at all but left £20 to the lady, who was his landlady when he died as she registered his death. He was 76 when he died and she was only 28 with 5 young children to raise on her own after her husband died. He left his only effects to her and the children, which we think was lovely.

So keep digging and you never know what you may find.

Cheryl

Cheryl,

Thanks for that. lol Ive already poked my eyes out...am bald...and my finger nails are down to the quick!!

But Im also like a dog with a bone. I believe there is an answer out there and Im just missing it!

Im very proud of my gypsie upbringing (which gave me a life time of hard labour and probably my crippling arthritis too, I might add) But I can hold my head high that we worked very hard in the fields to survive. My dear parents would never for a moment have set us about stealing, and we were raised with a rod of iron (which did us no harm) And I 'd love to finish off the story'...simple as that. Like everyone else on here I suppose.
By the way, for anyone wanting to preserve their history it may be a good idea to record it to cd? I did a 4 part radio programme which then went out on cd to nearly every education centre in England. It is a true story.

Hi everyone,

It is true it does not mention Price in the suicide. But the norfolk records office hold a record of George Attrick Price owning the property in which he died, also stating that he died intestate and the property could not be sold until his son Andrew came of age. The widow was Jane (I have checked) and the piece also states 'George attrick Price, Parnham being an Assumed name' or words very simular to that. So, Price bought the property in Rosemary Lane New Buckenham....was jailed for beating his daughter Grace in the July proir to his death in August, because she sold some of his second hand gear and bought some broken biscuits and stuff (poor little thing) I guess thats where my granny got her awful nasty streak (unpleasent woman, and no love lost Im afraid)...He beat his girl again in August and shot himself rather than face the music.
It just seems that when he did something legal , like wedding/buying property , he used the name Price. ( Maybe, as suggested, just a cover) Its a right headache.
I had thought that Elizabeth, his Grandma may have been a Wilson before marrying Hattrick, I had noted the age difference too. Yet someone sent me a wedding notice for Samuel Hattrick and Elizabeth kilvington abt 1822 in the doncaster area I think, so this threw me. Would love to find a link there to Wilson.
Someone also checked out any future/past births for Price etc around 1854 and could find none in that area. (travelling families and the settled community even, wed back into family in those day, mostly) so it would make sense having Wilson link.

The birth for George Price in Lincoln 1854 simply says his name. Father George...chair mender...Mother Jane...formerly wilson...Andersons lane, st johns, (off top my head) lincoln.
Sorry for delay, but ive been unwell. I appreciate any help you give me. Thanks Rosie
ps the 1851 census with Jane Hatrick on Chas Russell being the head, st benidict Lincoln, Parnhams feature on there too.

I know how Rosie feels. She wants to get to the bottom of it. I have the same with my hubbies family where someone used 2 names.
After many searches and plenty of help from people on here, I have decided to gather all info pre 1841 on the 2 possible people that could be hubbies relative. At least that way I sould have the correct details. I just won't know which one is correct.
To many that would seem pointless but if it stops me poking my eyes out with sticks then it's ok for me.

Sometimes its good to have a little task to solve, but like me, I think Rosie has hit that brick wall and should call it a day

I wonder if it was a gypsy thing,as he married Jane Hollis of Gypsy ancestry.
Was he the stepson of George Parnham.

Maryb

I don`t think he was born George Price..... I doubt he was ever registered.......there is no evidence that his mother Jane Hattrick/Attick/Atterick was ever married to anyone called Price...i think the first time he turns up with that name is in 1876 when he married, he could have just assumed it, people did......

When Jane his mother married George Parnham his step father, her surname was Attick not Price .

In the newspaper article it mentions his 13 year old daughter Grace........, in 1881 George Prices daughter Grace was 4 years old, there isn`t a Grace Parnham birth registered around that time...only Grace Hattrick Price who i posted on page 1, thats the only thing that links it all, they both had a daughter called Grace of the same age. What is funny though is that the Widow Jane is still calling herself price in the 1891 census......you`d think if she knew his name was really Parnham then she would have called herself that as well...none of the children seem to have been registered except Grace..


.Wonder what the document is from Norfolk archives confirming these 2 men are the same person?......newspaper article makes no reference to it..



Nicky

In previous message it has George Price born 1854 in lincoln,no sign of him again until 1901 when he is in kentish town D16 > 15

George Price born 1854 Lincs it says locality unknown,
relation to head of household brother in law.

Could this be the same George Price??

Maryb

So the suicide was only reported under Parnham? If that is the case, maybe there is no connection to Price and this is has gone off a completly wrong angle.

Rosie, I think you are trying to find Price, mentioned in the marriage and census? so maybe this has gone up the wrong path? There can be a lot of false leads on trees and other peoples ancestry.

Yes i have seen that as well... though like us no one seems to be able to make any connection to the Price name.


Have read the newspaper article about the suicide and there is no mention of the Price name at all...its all recorded as George Parnham....so wonder if locally he was known as Parnham ,but for some reason on the Census and for his marriage he was Price...like i said earlier i think he was trying to lay low...


nicky

Just googled George Parnham suicide and it shows a thread on Rootschat .com,it seems Rosie has all the info posted here already.

Maryb

The 1871...George still going by the surname Parnham..


PARNHAM, George Head M 44 1827 Derbyshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Jane Wife F 38 1833 Yorkshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Alice Daughter F 19 1852 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, George Son M 17 1854 Lincolnshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Richard Son M 13 1858 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Thomas Son M 11 1860 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, William Son M 9 1862 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Ellen Daughter F 7 1864 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Samuel Son M 5 1866 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, John Son M 3 1868 Lincolnshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Sarah Daughter F 1 1870 Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3371 Folio:
67 Page:
11

Registration District:
Lincoln Sub District:
Home Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Benedict Municipal Borough:
Lincoln Address:
Waterside, North, St Benedict, Lincoln County:
Lincolnshire


Nicky

This looks like being georges daughter Grace birth reg...seems they kept up the Hatterick name..

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
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Price Grace Hatterick Boston 7a 448


Nicky

Heres the 1841 Maryb posted in its entirity...surely there is a good chance that this Jane is your Georges mother and confirmation of the Attrick/Hatterick name?

You may never find out who his father was if she was unmarried when she had him. It wasn`t uncommon for stepchildren to be listed as own children on census which explains why he is down as George Parnham in 1861 ...

As has already been pointed out theres a good chance that neither his or Alices births were registered { though the Alice Hatterick June 1851 in Nottingham that MaureeninNY posted looks promising}.........there was no penalty in the 1850`s for unregistered births.

1841
HATTRICK, Samuel M 60 1781 Ireland VIEW
HATTRICK, Elizabeth F 40 1801 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Margaret F 17 1824 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Ann F 11 1830 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Ellen F 9 1832 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Jane F 6 1835 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Selina F 4 1837 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Thomas M 1 1840 Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1340 Book/Folio:
3/22 Page:
6

Registration District:
Doncaster Sub District:
Doncaster Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Doncaster Municipal Borough:
Doncaster Address:
St Sepulchre Gate Without, Doncaster County:
Yorkshire


Having read the newspaper article on Georges death it seems he was a bit of a colourful charecter and sometimes on the wrong side of the law..... that may explain why he married in the name Price taking up a new identity was not uncommon for those people trying not to be found....though he obviously reverted to Parnham once in Norfolk. Price may not have a family connection at all, and may simply be a name he chose. Jane married George Parnham using the surname Attrick in 1866 years after they got together, which if that is her on the 1841 means there was probably no marriage to a Mr. Price in the intervening years. Do you have their marriage cert?

Not trying to undo all your theorys ,but just thinking outside the box and taking a different look at it all.

You say you have the birth cert. for George Price born Lincoln in 1854...could you put up all the deatails please...if we can find this family in 1861 it will eliminate him from being your George...


Nicky

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Deaths Mar 1845
HATTERICK Elizabeth Doncaster 22 67

1851 England Census
Name: Jane Hatrick
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Lodger
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Doncaster
Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 15 & 16 Bear Court

Occupation: All occupants are pedlars

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Ann
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members:
Name Age
Chas Russell 39
Ann Russell 24
Sarah Parnham 14 - sister
Thos Knight 39
Sarah Towe 21
Wm Finch 58
Jane Hatrick 18
Samuel Brown 45

1841 Doncaster D6 >3
Samuel Hattrich/k born ireland 1781
Elizabeth 1801 Doncaster 20 years difference in age.Could this be Elizabeth Wilson had Mary before marrying or getting together with Samuel.
Margaret Hattrich 1824
Jane 1835.

Maryb

I think you have to be careful with the Wilson connection until you get more proof.

Marriages Sep 1849
Vardy Frances West Mansfield 15 728
Wilson Luke Mansfield 15 728

1861 England Census
Name: Andrew Wilson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Luke Wilson
Mother's name: Frances Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hucknall Huthe, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hucknall Under Huthwaite
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Sutton in Ashfield
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Wilson 35 - Cotton FWK; Hucknall Huthe, Nottinghamshire
Frances Wilson 34 - Cotton FWK; South Newington, Derbyshire [South Normanton on image.]
Andrew Wilson 7
Sarah Ann Wilson 5
Henry Wilson 1