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Im at a full stop with my G G G Grandfather's line because he was using 2 names. One was reported in the press to be an 'assumed' name when he shot himself 1888. But I can find no birth for him in either name as yet, and Ive been looking for a very long time.

Is there any way to solve a matter like this? or do I give up?

Ive tried everything to think of every angle ie his mother had him before she married: He came a baggage with is 'assumed' named father: earlier/later birth: countless birth records for the name he must have been born.....and nothing.
Is there any help out there to solve this without forking out a lot of money i dont really have? Thanks..

Rosie, would you like to post some details? Do you have birth certs for his children and his marriage cert? Have you found him on any census?

As he would have been born before penalties were introduced for not registering births, his birth may simply not have been registered

He must have married..............one assumes.

Who/when did he marry?

Can you pin him down on any of the censuses?

Thank you for the interest etc everyone. Here is what I have.

He wed in 1876 st Mary's Hull as George Attrick Price, 21 to Jane Hollis,18.
He is then on 1881 Census as Geo Price 22 (off top my head think this was Brampton derbyshire or Reepham Yorkshire, 1 hallidays yard?) Excuse me here, but I am disabled and in bed and cannot get info at this moment.
It was an age before I could find him prior...and Nobody seemed to fit his description/occupation in the vacinity. I became suspicious that he was indeed not a Price but a Parnham (this turned out to be in reverse at later stagege) living worksop or st benedicts Lincoln 1871. George Parnham was down as father and Jane Parnham mother. ( She was formerly Jane attrick/Hatrick b doncaster I believe and explaining the 'attrik' middle name scribbled as an after thought on the wedding cert of My George.

The Parnham theory was all supposition until I got proof late last year when someone also suggested Parnham was fitting my bill and put me onto a lead in Norfolk.
As I had heard my george had shot himself after a nasy incident and his wife was a widow in 1891 there was a time line to help me.

And finally got confirmation etc when i found George Parhams death in new buckenham 1888 along with a record from the Norfolk record office ,both confirming that both men were one and the same.

It basically said George Attrick Price, Parnham being an assumed name'. etc. in the report , of some property he had bought earlier, and finally shooting himself at that property.
Since then I have tried every which way to find how George became George Attrick Price. Could have been born as Price and may well have simply taken Parnhams name on marriage of his mother (she was single on 1851 census in st benidicts Lincoln with other members of the Parnham family, Head was Chas Russell.

She was with George Parnham senior in 1860 and wed him in 1866 I have been told.

She gives my george's birth as being in Lincoln, and there is one birth about that time for a George Price in 1854 which I have the cert for.
Trouble is the mothers maiden name is given as Formerly Jane Wilson.

I then searched in case his mother, Jane Hatrick wed prior to a Wilson, nothing. My family do have a connection to the name Wilson (my George's mother-in-law was a Wilson before she wed Hollis........and on the 1881 census mention above there is an Andrew Wilson living with My George and his wife which I feel is probably family of some kind, but may be wrong.

I feel pretty strongly that this Wilson thing may be the biggest clue to solving this mystery but I like fact not supposition.

One other thing.

When i found My George as a Parnham I noted he had an older sister Alice. I think it pretty likely that she along with my George may have been from different father(s) than Parham (theres a big gap in the childrens ages that follow them) and Alice and My George may share the same dad. Again I can find no birth for Alice having the mother Hatrick in the name of either Parnham/Hatrick or Price as yet.

I hope this all make some kind of sense. My family have proved extremely difficult to track as they have mostly traveling backgrounds......but at least with this branch Ive been able to leave the side containing the Smiths/Grays/Harris/Mobbs/and Lambs alone fpr a while! (anyone tracing them will know how many headache pills I got through for that !

Please feel free to ask if there is anything else I can help with that may bring this to a close..Kind regards Rosie

Is this the 1881 census you refer to?

Geo Price
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Hawker
Address Victoria Street
District Chesterfield, Chesterfield
Parish Brampton
Administrative County Derbyshire
Birth Place Nottingham
Other household members:
Jane 20 born Lincoln Boston
Grace 4 Lincoln Boston
Andrew 1 Hull
Andrew Wilson 22 lodger Nottingham
Bridget Macher 21 lodger Leicester

Yes. thats My G G G Grandfather George.

But please note: He is still only giving the age of 22. When he wed 5 years earlier he said he was 21. Another fact that has made him difficult to find.
1871 census as Parnham he is I believe 8

When he died in 1888 his headsone etc reads that he was 32. its anyone guess it seems how old he actually was.

Again, 1854 birth in Lincoln just may well be right. the thing is how??

Think this one may take more than luck!

It may help if you could post the details from the census you've found so far, even they are difficult to find but might give some more clues.

1861 England Census
Name: George Parnham
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Parnham
Mother's name: Jane Parnham
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England [Image is actually City Lincoln]
Civil Parish: Worksop
Town: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 39 Norfolk St (Registerd Lodging House)

Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
Household Members:
Name Age
George Parnham 31 Chair Bottomer & Lodging House Keeper
Jane Parnham 24
Alice Parnham 9
George Parnham 8
Richard Parnham 2
Thomas Parnham 1
Then there's a whole list of lodgers.

I think you have to be careful with the Wilson connection until you get more proof.

Marriages Sep 1849
Vardy Frances West Mansfield 15 728
Wilson Luke Mansfield 15 728

1861 England Census
Name: Andrew Wilson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Luke Wilson
Mother's name: Frances Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hucknall Huthe, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Hucknall Under Huthwaite
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Sutton in Ashfield
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Wilson 35 - Cotton FWK; Hucknall Huthe, Nottinghamshire
Frances Wilson 34 - Cotton FWK; South Newington, Derbyshire [South Normanton on image.]
Andrew Wilson 7
Sarah Ann Wilson 5
Henry Wilson 1

1841 Doncaster D6 >3
Samuel Hattrich/k born ireland 1781
Elizabeth 1801 Doncaster 20 years difference in age.Could this be Elizabeth Wilson had Mary before marrying or getting together with Samuel.
Margaret Hattrich 1824
Jane 1835.

Maryb

????
Deaths Mar 1845
HATTERICK Elizabeth Doncaster 22 67

1851 England Census
Name: Jane Hatrick
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Lodger
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Doncaster
Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 15 & 16 Bear Court

Occupation: All occupants are pedlars

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Ann
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members:
Name Age
Chas Russell 39
Ann Russell 24
Sarah Parnham 14 - sister
Thos Knight 39
Sarah Towe 21
Wm Finch 58
Jane Hatrick 18
Samuel Brown 45

Heres the 1841 Maryb posted in its entirity...surely there is a good chance that this Jane is your Georges mother and confirmation of the Attrick/Hatterick name?

You may never find out who his father was if she was unmarried when she had him. It wasn`t uncommon for stepchildren to be listed as own children on census which explains why he is down as George Parnham in 1861 ...

As has already been pointed out theres a good chance that neither his or Alices births were registered { though the Alice Hatterick June 1851 in Nottingham that MaureeninNY posted looks promising}.........there was no penalty in the 1850`s for unregistered births.

1841
HATTRICK, Samuel M 60 1781 Ireland VIEW
HATTRICK, Elizabeth F 40 1801 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Margaret F 17 1824 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Ann F 11 1830 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Ellen F 9 1832 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Jane F 6 1835 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Selina F 4 1837 Yorkshire VIEW
HATTRICK, Thomas M 1 1840 Yorkshire VIEW

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HO107 Piece:
1340 Book/Folio:
3/22 Page:
6

Registration District:
Doncaster Sub District:
Doncaster Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Doncaster Municipal Borough:
Doncaster Address:
St Sepulchre Gate Without, Doncaster County:
Yorkshire


Having read the newspaper article on Georges death it seems he was a bit of a colourful charecter and sometimes on the wrong side of the law..... that may explain why he married in the name Price taking up a new identity was not uncommon for those people trying not to be found....though he obviously reverted to Parnham once in Norfolk. Price may not have a family connection at all, and may simply be a name he chose. Jane married George Parnham using the surname Attrick in 1866 years after they got together, which if that is her on the 1841 means there was probably no marriage to a Mr. Price in the intervening years. Do you have their marriage cert?

Not trying to undo all your theorys ,but just thinking outside the box and taking a different look at it all.

You say you have the birth cert. for George Price born Lincoln in 1854...could you put up all the deatails please...if we can find this family in 1861 it will eliminate him from being your George...


Nicky

This looks like being georges daughter Grace birth reg...seems they kept up the Hatterick name..

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
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Price Grace Hatterick Boston 7a 448


Nicky

The 1871...George still going by the surname Parnham..


PARNHAM, George Head M 44 1827 Derbyshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Jane Wife F 38 1833 Yorkshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Alice Daughter F 19 1852 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, George Son M 17 1854 Lincolnshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Richard Son M 13 1858 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Thomas Son M 11 1860 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, William Son M 9 1862 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Ellen Daughter F 7 1864 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Samuel Son M 5 1866 Nottinghamshire VIEW
PARNHAM, John Son M 3 1868 Lincolnshire VIEW
PARNHAM, Sarah Daughter F 1 1870 Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3371 Folio:
67 Page:
11

Registration District:
Lincoln Sub District:
Home Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Benedict Municipal Borough:
Lincoln Address:
Waterside, North, St Benedict, Lincoln County:
Lincolnshire


Nicky

Just googled George Parnham suicide and it shows a thread on Rootschat .com,it seems Rosie has all the info posted here already.

Maryb

Yes i have seen that as well... though like us no one seems to be able to make any connection to the Price name.


Have read the newspaper article about the suicide and there is no mention of the Price name at all...its all recorded as George Parnham....so wonder if locally he was known as Parnham ,but for some reason on the Census and for his marriage he was Price...like i said earlier i think he was trying to lay low...


nicky

So the suicide was only reported under Parnham? If that is the case, maybe there is no connection to Price and this is has gone off a completly wrong angle.

Rosie, I think you are trying to find Price, mentioned in the marriage and census? so maybe this has gone up the wrong path? There can be a lot of false leads on trees and other peoples ancestry.

In previous message it has George Price born 1854 in lincoln,no sign of him again until 1901 when he is in kentish town D16 > 15

George Price born 1854 Lincs it says locality unknown,
relation to head of household brother in law.

Could this be the same George Price??

Maryb