Genealogy Chat

Thanks Nicky for your reply and all your help

Regards

Paula

Good luck with it all Paula


Please add to this thread if you make any progress, would be intrested in the outcome.



Nicky

Hi Nicky

Spoke to the Pension Tracing and they have given me another phone number to contact for the Letter Forwarding Service.

Will find out about a pension being paid from NZ when I contact them as the Pension Tracing said that his Pension would have been paid if he was living in NZ.

I am putting the contact details on a new thread so perhaps may be of use to others. Whether it will be any use to myself I don't know as we are talking a few years back now. But worth a try

Many thanks

Regards Paula

Well if the Pensions Office got in touch about paying his estranged wife his pension then presumably he wasn`t in New Zealand?..........

and presumably that was back in the 1960`s when Arthur would have reached Pensionable age? 65?....so you know he must have been alive then.

Are you in contact with any of louisas family ? siblings or their children? would they be able to shed more light on her elusive husband??

Would it be worth emailing the Pensions office? they may have an Archives of records and your husband as direct descendant may be intitled to the information.


nothing to lose by trying!!

Maybe a good place to start...

Pension Tracing Service
Contact point Pension Tracing Service Address The Pension Service
Tyneview Park
Whitley Road
Newcastle upon Tyne
NE98 1BA Phone number 0845 600 2537
From overseas
+44 185 176 7476




Nicky

Thanks Nicky for all your work.

Yes the 1911 census for Louisa is correct

Ernest and Arthur Jnr are the sons of Arthur Snr.

Ernest is now unforunately my late father in law. He never knew his father as he left the family - although never divorced this is why the info I have is very sparse.

According to his son Arthur Jnr the pensions office got in touch with Louisa to see about paying Arthur Snrs pension. Hence my question re pensions.

I think this may be a case of not knowing enough to form any correct connectiions.

Regards Paula

Think this may be Louisa in 1911..

CHARMAN, Henry Head Married M 51 1860 Labourer Scavenger London St Pancras VIEW
CHARMAN, Mary Ann Wife Married
16 years F 42 1869 London West Ham VIEW
CHARMAN, Henry George Son Single M 15 1896 Office Boy London West Ham VIEW
CHARMAN, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1899 Westham VIEW
CHARMAN, Rose Daughter F 10 1901 Westham VIEW
CHARMAN, Louisa Daughter F 6 1905 Westham VIEW
CHARMAN, Alice Maud Daughter F 4 1907 Westham VIEW
STURTT, Hannah Wife Widow F 74 1837 London Stratford VIEW
TAYLOR, George Nephew Single M 17 1894 Shop Boy VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9429 Reference:
RG14PN9429 RG78PN507A RD188 SD3 ED19 SN2

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Plaistow Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
West Ham

Address:
94 Emma Road Plaistow E County:
Essex




Nickyte

Just been looking at your old threads on this Paula..

.See there were 2 children Edward Ernest born 1922 { looks like it was a bit of a shotgun wedding then!!} and Arthur born 1923...

What was louisas fathers name and occupation from the marriage cert? ...just wondering if i found her in 1911 it might give us a clue?



nicky

This is the family at 35 Langthorne Street in 1911.....I was hoping it might have been Louisas family...

248 EASTEAL, Samuel Head Single M 22 1889 Kitchen Porter London St Georges in the East VIEW
248 EASTEAL, Eliza Mather Widow F 49 1862 Tayloress At Home London Barough VIEW
248 EASTEAL, Mary Ann Sister Single F 20 1891 Out Of Work Laundry Ironer London St Georges in the East VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9354 Reference:
RG14PN9354 RG78PN505 RD188 SD1 ED13 SN248

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Stratford Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
West Ham

Address:
35 Langthorn Street Stratford County:
Essex



Nicky

Yes Paula as you say maybe time to try going forward...... as with this thread and your previous ones all the info everyone finds for you is purely speculation as you can neither rule out or confirm anything.

The 1911 family I posted ...I was aware that the marriage cert said father Edward Watson, but it was more his occupation that drew me...felt someone who had worked in Catering may have gone on to be a Steward on a Ship? {similar line of work} and they lived in the same area as Arthurs marriage in 1922........all clutching at straws really.

As for working forward...do you have all Arthurs childrens names? of course some of them may still be alive. I take it this isn`t your direct line or you would know about them, so how did you arrive at the 1922 marriage being the man in your tree?


You say the family are still at the brides family address in 1927....who exactly is showing on that electoral role entry....as under 18s or should it be 21s? won`t be showing.


Nicky.

Have amended my heading as I was wondering if anyone has found a person by going via the Pensions Office.

I think in the above situation it nay be an answer to go forwards to be able to actually work backward again - if that makes sense?

Thanks

n

Thanks Nicky Cannot confirm anything about the 1911 posted as I have no way of confirming area of birth for Artthur.

Also according to marriage cert fathers name was Edward

The marriage posted is the correct one. Charman/Watson West Ham District.

Address 35 Langtthorne Street,

There is only one witness name showing the other witness is shown as
H Charman (father??) + his mark (assuming that H Charman could not write but guessing) This is how it appears on the marriage cert.

Thanks

Wondering about this family in 1911??????

WATSON, Arthur Head Married M 40 1871 Caterers Manager Dartford Kent VIEW
WATSON, Jane Wife Married
18 years F 40 1871 Six Mile Bottom Cambs VIEW
WATSON, Jane Daughter Single F 16 1895 Six Mile Bottom Cambs VIEW
WATSON, Dorothy Daughter F 14 1897 Dartford Kent VIEW
WATSON, Arthur Son M 12 1899 Holborn London VIEW
WATSON, William Son M 8 1903 Lambeth London VIEW
WATSON, Joseph Son M 6 1905 Southwark London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9607 Reference:
RG14PN9607 RG78PN512 RD188 SD8 ED2 SN280

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
South Leyton Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Low Leyton

Address:
59 Oakdale Road Leytonstone County:
Essex


Nicky

Looking back at Paulas old threads this appears to be the marriage........


Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
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>>>>>CHARMAN Louisa Watson W.Ham 4a 286
Jerrold-Nathan Blanche M Sedgwick W.Ham 4a 286
Nathan Blanche M J Sedgwick W. Ham 4a 286
SEDGWICK Sydney Jerrold-Nathan West Ham 4a 286
>>>>>WATSON Arthur Chorman W.Ham 4a 286

Nicky

Paula


There are 18 Arthur Watson marriages in 1922....which one is yours?

District? Brides name? brides address? Only 1 witness?


Nicky

Off to bed now will check tomorrow thanks everyong for your comments

First of all apologies to anyone who remembers me posting in the past

Here we go - all taken from marriage cert

Arthur Watson married 1922 age given as 22.

Occupation Traveller

Residing at the brides home

Withness S G Thelford ( have never found anything on this person either)

Father Edward Watson (deceased) Occupation Ship Steward

That the lot folks I have absolutely no other info.

Still residing at the same address in 1927 as per the Electoral Rolls

Thanks

Do you want to give us some names - see what we can find?

Kath. x

Paula
Would you like to post some details, names etc and I'm sure someone will take another look.?

Gwyn